From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Mon Jan 4 12:28:59 2016 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 17:28:59 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Nebraska family walks on the wild side to make jams, jellies (Omaha World Herald) Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057F4267@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> Nebraska family walks on the wild side to make jams, jellies (Omaha World Herald) (http://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/nebraska-family-walks-on-the-wild-side-to-make-jams/article_8138cb5d-883e-5123-8b1b-e103b5ad5f4e.html ) From fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com Fri Jan 8 18:36:05 2016 From: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com (fuwa fuwa usagi) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:36:05 -0800 Subject: [nafex] Apple photo collection Message-ID: <20160108153605.975662D3@m0087797.ppops.net> Gang, The following link may prove interesting to some of you. Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple varieties, many of which I am not familiar with. The photos are of excellent quality. http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html Regards, the fluffy bunny _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 18:58:14 2016 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 18:58:14 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Apple photo collection In-Reply-To: <20160108153605.975662D3@m0087797.ppops.net> References: <20160108153605.975662D3@m0087797.ppops.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote: > The following link may prove interesting to some of you. > Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple > varieties, many of which I am not familiar with. > > The photos are of excellent quality. > > http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html > Ariane http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch vehicle, i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google -- Lawrence F. London lfljvenaura at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ From rizzolori1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 20:07:58 2016 From: rizzolori1 at gmail.com (Lori Rizzo) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:07:58 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple In-Reply-To: References: <20160108153605.975662D3@m0087797.ppops.net> Message-ID: <052AE329-02ED-48DB-9633-4B82956DE619@gmail.com> I don't remember if I've seen the apple discussed on NAFEX but our stores have been carrying the Envy Apple and it's phenomenal - honeycrispluke but more Apple flavor, imo. L.A. Rizzo Kingston, MA > On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi > wrote: > >> The following link may prove interesting to some of you. >> Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple >> varieties, many of which I am not familiar with. >> >> The photos are of excellent quality. >> >> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html > > Ariane > http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html > > I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch > vehicle, > i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit > > ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google > > > > > -- > Lawrence F. London > lfljvenaura at gmail.com > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From hartmansfruit at msn.com Fri Jan 8 20:27:44 2016 From: hartmansfruit at msn.com (ROBERT W JUDY A) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 17:27:44 -0800 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple In-Reply-To: <052AE329-02ED-48DB-9633-4B82956DE619@gmail.com> References: <20160108153605.975662D3@m0087797.ppops.net> <052AE329-02ED-48DB-9633-4B82956DE619@gmail.com> Message-ID: See the following http://tinyurl.com/clubapples . Envy is listed as a club apple and you have to belong to the club to grow them and you cannot buy individual trees of it. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lori Rizzo Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:07 PM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple I don't remember if I've seen the apple discussed on NAFEX but our stores have been carrying the Envy Apple and it's phenomenal - honeycrispluke but more Apple flavor, imo. L.A. Rizzo Kingston, MA > On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi > > wrote: > >> The following link may prove interesting to some of you. >> Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple >> varieties, many of which I am not familiar with. >> >> The photos are of excellent quality. >> >> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html > > Ariane > http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html > > I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch > vehicle, > i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit > > ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google > > > > > -- > Lawrence F. London > lfljvenaura at gmail.com > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com Fri Jan 8 23:24:56 2016 From: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com (fuwa fuwa usagi) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:24:56 -0800 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple Message-ID: <20160108202456.FB966F70@m0087792.ppops.net> I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste great but the remaining 3 may suck. So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good tasting one. the fluffy bunny --- rizzolori1 at gmail.com wrote: From: Lori Rizzo To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Cc: "fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com" Subject: Envy Apple Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:07:58 -0500 I don't remember if I've seen the apple discussed on NAFEX but our stores have been carrying the Envy Apple and it's phenomenal - honeycrispluke but more Apple flavor, imo. L.A. Rizzo Kingston, MA > On Jan 8, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 6:36 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi > wrote: > >> The following link may prove interesting to some of you. >> Essentially it is a collection of beautifully photographed apple >> varieties, many of which I am not familiar with. >> >> The photos are of excellent quality. >> >> http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/album-3026.html > > Ariane > http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/AberBenniget/photo-13420.html > > I wonder of they named it for the European Space Agency's Ariane launch > vehicle, > i.e. rocket designed to put payload into Earth orbit > > ariane translated from the French is breadcrumb according to Google > > > > > -- > Lawrence F. London > lfljvenaura at gmail.com > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From jwlehmantree at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 08:34:52 2016 From: jwlehmantree at gmail.com (Jerry Lehman) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:34:52 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple In-Reply-To: <20160108202456.FB966F70@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20160108202456.FB966F70@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <56910C7C.7070408@gmail.com> On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote: > I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste great but the remaining 3 may suck. > > So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good tasting one. The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time in storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is dependent upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I bought a variety from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple, large, very very crisp (literally snaps when you bite into it), very juicy but flat on flavor. My son believed it was the most awesome apple he ever bit into, I wouldn't give you a nickel for bushel basketful of them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as firm (even mealy after storage), not nearly as juicy but full of fantastic flavor by my taste buds. All of my neighbors make regular trips to the tree as they love it. The point is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to everyone. I have purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after sitting on the kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _ To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2, Crapshoot-3 etc. Jerry From rizzolori1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 15:49:29 2016 From: rizzolori1 at gmail.com (Lori Rizzo) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:49:29 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple In-Reply-To: <56910C7C.7070408@gmail.com> References: <20160108202456.FB966F70@m0087792.ppops.net> <56910C7C.7070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, all, for the input. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Jerry Lehman wrote: > On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote: > >> I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and >> sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to >> say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. >> There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same >> variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste >> great but the remaining 3 may suck. >> >> So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that >> there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the >> consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been >> very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good >> tasting one. >> > The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time in > storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is dependent > upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I bought a variety > from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple, large, very very crisp > (literally snaps when you bite into it), very juicy but flat on flavor. My > son believed it was the most awesome apple he ever bit into, I wouldn't > give you a nickel for bushel basketful of them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as > firm (even mealy after storage), not nearly as juicy but full of fantastic > flavor by my taste buds. All of my neighbors make regular trips to the tree > as they love it. The point is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to > everyone. I have purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after > sitting on the kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _ > > To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test > varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2, Crapshoot-3 > etc. > > Jerry > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Lori Rizzo, BSN MBA RN *Healthcare Quality & Performance Improvement* *Behavioral Dog Training & Counseling* *Heirloom & Unusual Vegetable Propagation* *Supporting Member New England Kayak Fishing (NEKF)* *Kingston, MA* *rizzolori1 at gmail.com * From fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com Sat Jan 9 18:54:36 2016 From: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com (fuwa fuwa usagi) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:54:36 -0800 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple Message-ID: <20160109155436.975A1C7C@m0087798.ppops.net> Jerry, Thank you for the additional input. I find Jazz of all things to be the biggest offender in this regard. The were on sale for 2.39 a lb so I bought 5 apples. Well of the 3 we ate two were starch with a hint of sweetness and one had a level of flavor but was clearly past prime. The other two I am guessing are starchier and will store for a few weeks. :( I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well, more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to arouse my senses. You are so clearly right about tastes. I am fortunate that I still have my taste buds and a rather developed palate. So I am all over the place in my taste in apples, vinous, aromatic, balanced, tart, sweet and the oddities like Sweet 16 all delight me. A wonderful Nafex buddy sent me some apples this year, and I we had a tantalizing euphoric experience with the complexity of his Holstein, Elstar, and Karjminji, totally awesome and the woman, boy and I were just delighted. Awesome Honeycrisp too, but while ever so pleasing it just did not excite the imagination like Karminji did but certainly warmed the soul. Happy New Year every one. And please let's try and make this list a bit more active. It is too good a resource to languish. The fluffy bunny --- jwlehmantree at gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry Lehman To: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com, mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Envy Apple Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:34:52 -0500 On 1/8/2016 11:24 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote: > I am finding many of the new club apples really need to be stored and sampled in order to achieve anything above ordinary in flavor. Which is to say, they are very expensive because so many are wasted in the sampling. There seems to be no correlation between them either. So you 5 of the same variety and one may taste okay and 3 eeks later another one may now taste great but the remaining 3 may suck. > > So while they may be enforcing growing standards it appears to me that there is huge breakdown in the distribution process, mixing apples so the consumer has not idea when they are actually ready to eat. I have been very, very disappointed with what boils down to a crap shoot to land a good tasting one. The fluffy one is correct, apple flavors do change with length of time in storage and even at storage temperature. Also one's evaluation is dependent upon his personal preferences. Example: Some years back I bought a variety from Starks named Fall Gold. It is a yellow apple, large, very very crisp (literally snaps when you bite into it), very juicy but flat on flavor. My son believed it was the most awesome apple he ever bit into, I wouldn't give you a nickel for bushel basketful of them. I love Mutsu, not nearly as firm (even mealy after storage), not nearly as juicy but full of fantastic flavor by my taste buds. All of my neighbors make regular trips to the tree as they love it. The point is what's awesome to one person isn't awesome to everyone. I have purchased Envy and I thought the taste improved after sitting on the kitchen table for a week but would much rather have Mutsu. _ To each his own crapshoot_. Ah, this gives me an idea for naming test varieties in one's breeding orchard, Crapshoot-1, Crapshoot-2, Crapshoot-3 etc. Jerry _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 19:07:52 2016 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:07:52 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple In-Reply-To: <20160109155436.975A1C7C@m0087798.ppops.net> References: <20160109155436.975A1C7C@m0087798.ppops.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 6:54 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote: > I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well, > more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left > from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to > arouse my senses. Stayman Starkspur Winesap, fat, large, squat, rough skin and grainy flesh is one of the best apples in existence, multi-purpose and keeps well into May, refrigerated. One of my favorites. I got bushels from a large tree in the country near me in NC. Chill a few of them, core and quarter them and put through a hand crank meat grinder with coarse screen. Instant applesauce. Mix with chopped Barhis dates for a breakfast delight. Can't be beat. -- Lawrence F. London lfljvenaura at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ From fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com Sat Jan 9 21:19:12 2016 From: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com (fuwa fuwa usagi) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:19:12 -0800 Subject: [nafex] Envy Apple Message-ID: <20160109181912.97468D41@m0087791.ppops.net> Lawrence (all), So I found the name intriguing: Stayman Starkspur Winesap So a couple of questions, is it really a Stayman class apple, in other words does it taste like Stayman (see footnote #1)? And is this a tight spur tree like a columnar tree? I am looking to graft some decorative trees for some friends in NC, but I really need a columnar form for their landscape needs. I checked there does not seem to be many cedars around them, so the usual CAR issue with Stayman should not be an overwhelming issue. I assume this is also triploid that is fairly vigorous and has the usual pollen problems? regards, the fluffy one Footnote(s) #1 Stayman is an apple, when well grown, I find very pleasant to snack on, never complicated but interesting texture with a pleasant, yet light, vinous flavor). It is one of the best apples I can think of to eat very chilled after a very hard workout or after a lot of digging when you are hot and thirsty. It is refreshing like a cold Seven-up. I bought a few at a farmers market in D.C. back in November and finished them off all too quickly after my workouts and digging in the garden. What a nice pick me up. And, drum roll, Stayman is very good with Le Gruyere cheese. The dry, crumbles and moderate yet intense flavor of Le Gruyere pairs very well with the sprightly and juicy Stayman. The bonus comes in with the texture interplay. Stayman has that Mac/Snow type texture, crisp but like a snowcone as is dissolves in you mouth, it work so well with the dry crumbly texture of Le Gruyere. I only mention this as it took me a while to find a cheese that worked well with Stayman. Kerry gold Dublinger was my runner up with Stayman but falls far short with this particular apple. Go with the Le Gruyere. For a more substantial snack add a pumpernickel rye with a little ground mustard or horseradish. --- lfljvenaura at gmail.com wrote: From: Lawrence London To: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com, mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Envy Apple Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:07:52 -0500 On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 6:54 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote: > I generally eat 2-4 apples a day, and this mess just saddens me. Oh well, > more reason to grow your own. Thank gosh I still have a few Liberties left > from my own tree. Yummy things that they are though not complex enough to > arouse my senses. Stayman Starkspur Winesap, fat, large, squat, rough skin and grainy flesh is one of the best apples in existence, multi-purpose and keeps well into May, refrigerated. One of my favorites. I got bushels from a large tree in the country near me in NC. Chill a few of them, core and quarter them and put through a hand crank meat grinder with coarse screen. Instant applesauce. Mix with chopped Barhis dates for a breakfast delight. Can't be beat. -- Lawrence F. London lfljvenaura at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From jwlehmantree at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 07:47:49 2016 From: jwlehmantree at gmail.com (Jerry Lehman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:47:49 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing In-Reply-To: References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057E10AA@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> Message-ID: <5694F5F5.4020802@gmail.com> Good Morning Hector, I met a friend of yours last week, Don Boklage. He was a conference in Lexington and Kentucky I gave a talk on commercial production of persimmon. I don't believe I forwarded the below link. This is about a lemonary in Bashkortostan. it reminds me of the station we visited in Georgia accept this is well-maintained. They must be setting on top of some good natural gas wells in order to be able to afford to heat all of those greenhouses. https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan Jerry From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 12:41:37 2016 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:41:37 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Siberian farmers experimenting with exotic fruit growing In-Reply-To: <5694F5F5.4020802@gmail.com> References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057E10AA@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> <5694F5F5.4020802@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Jerry Lehman wrote: > I don't believe I forwarded the below link. This is about a lemonary in > Bashkortostan. it reminds me of the station we visited in Georgia accept > this is well-maintained. > > They must be setting on top of some good natural gas wells in order to be > able to afford to heat all of those greenhouses. > http://www.britannica.com/place/Bashkortostan Extreme temperatures of ?49 ?F (?45 ?C) in the winter Oil and natural gas are extracted from oil fields near Ufa and Neftekamsk in the northwest, at Belebey in the west, and at Ishimbay on the middle Belay http://rbth.com/travel/2013/07/12/bashkortostan_waking_the_russian_switzerland_28005.html Now they need to free themselves of the tyranny of oil extraction (60 percent of the local economy); they need to diversify before it is too late. http://rbth.com/travel/2013/07/12/bashkortostan_waking_the_russian_switzerland_28005.html Bashkortostan: Waking the ?Russian Switzerland? The Republic of Bashkortostan (Bashkiria), nicknamed the ?Russian Switzerland? because of its natural resources, is discreetly developing its tourist potential, far from the beaten track. Bashkortostan is the leading producer of milk in Russia, and its honey , like that of Altai, has a great reputation. Slowly but surely, the people of Bashkiria are regaining consciousness of their national identity within the Russian Federation. For a number of businesspeople, tourism has become a way of enhancing the regional heritage and accelerating a return to its roots. > > > https://sites.google.com/site/seedkeeping/international-resources/lemonary-in-bashkortostan > -- Lawrence F. London lfljvenaura at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Tue Jan 19 18:57:36 2016 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:57:36 +0000 Subject: [nafex] In California, a treasure hunt for Gold Rush-era Fruit and Nut Trees (NPR) Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E40580DF57@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> In California, A Treasure Hunt For Gold Rush-Era Fruit And Nut Trees http://n.pr/1PmEQCo From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Thu Jan 21 10:58:58 2016 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:58:58 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Fruit is ripe for commercialization (Agri News) Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E40580E3F8@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> Fruit is ripe for commercialization (http://www.agrinews.com/news/minnesota_news/fruit-is-ripe-for-commercialization/article_8685c244-9c1e-53cd-83e6-a101c83cf154.html) Agri News ST. CLOUD, Minn. - A handful of fruits that grow in the Midwest are ripe for commercialization, said Thaddeus McCamant, specialty crops instructor at ... From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Thu Jan 28 10:16:58 2016 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:16:58 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405810A75@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> Saving cherries from the birds (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ ) Good Fruit Grower Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for the birds, but there is new information that can help them make informed decisions ... From jimfruth at charter.net Thu Jan 28 22:08:47 2016 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:08:47 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) In-Reply-To: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405810A75@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405810A75@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> Message-ID: Sam, I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. Jim Fruth -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) Saving cherries from the birds (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ ) Good Fruit Grower Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for the birds, but there is new information that can help them make informed decisions ... __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From orders at cuttsreviews.com Fri Jan 29 00:17:57 2016 From: orders at cuttsreviews.com (Jay Cutts) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:17:57 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) In-Reply-To: References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405810A75@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> Message-ID: <56AAF605.6030703@cuttsreviews.com> I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that stands out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as it indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of black berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature. Regards, Jay Jay Cutts Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book (505)-281-0684 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote: > Sam, > > I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red > plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole > year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted > stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds > peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang > raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry > patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. > Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and > I don't know why not. > > Jim Fruth > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) > > Saving cherries from the birds > > (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ ) > Good Fruit Grower > Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for > the birds, but there is new information that can help them make > informed decisions ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From swim_at_svc at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 00:34:44 2016 From: swim_at_svc at yahoo.com (John S) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 05:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) References: <785972006.140350.1454045684702.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <785972006.140350.1454045684702.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Most fruit eating birds see into the ultraviolet and hence colors that we cannot see. I believe that your black decoys are truly black and lacking any appropriate ultraviolet component. The red color is further away from the ultraviolet that is probably present on the black fruit. There was a nice article in Scientific American magazine many years ago addressing bird sight. I'm sorry but I no longer have the article nor could find a reference for you. John -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/29/16, Jay Cutts wrote: Subject: Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 12:17 AM I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that stands out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as it indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of black berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature. Regards, Jay Jay Cutts Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book (505)-281-0684 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote: > Sam, > >? ? I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.? Why?? I hang red > plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole > year around, replacing them as they fade.? Also, I put red painted > stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished.? The birds > peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back.? AND I hang > raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry > patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps.? > Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and > I don't know why not. > > Jim Fruth > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) > > Saving cherries from the birds > > (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ ) > Good Fruit Grower > Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for > the birds, but there is new information that can help them make > informed decisions ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From alandhaigh at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 06:05:33 2016 From: alandhaigh at gmail.com (Alan Haigh) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:05:33 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. Message-ID: Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum? Some members who don't also participate on nafex at lists might be interested. I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very long time. I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. From mijwiz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 08:35:03 2016 From: mijwiz at yahoo.com (Melissa Kacalanos) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:35:03 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) In-Reply-To: <56AAF605.6030703@cuttsreviews.com> References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405810A75@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> <56AAF605.6030703@cuttsreviews.com> Message-ID: <89F4A83F-E29E-4637-833B-CDFBB6DB9BEE@yahoo.com> Maybe red beads would work even for the black fruit. I heard that red and black fruit have different seed dispersal strategies. Red fruit are obviously very showy, attracting all the fruit-eaters. Black fruit target only the local birds, not the ones that are just passing through, by turning red and conspicuous before they're ripe, so local animals make a mental note to come back for them later. Then when they ripen, they turn inconspicuously black, so only the animals that are in-the-know can find them. This ensures that the seeds are dropped somewhat locally, where they are adapted. I don't know if this is true or not, but I can't think of a different explanation for why any plant would have fruit that are inconspicuous when ripe. Melissa Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity). > On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Jay Cutts wrote: > > I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that stands out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as it indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of black berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature. > > Regards, > > Jay > > Jay Cutts > Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews > Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book > Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards > Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book > (505)-281-0684 > 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days > >> On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote: >> Sam, >> >> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. >> >> Jim Fruth >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM >> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) >> >> Saving cherries from the birds (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ ) >> Good Fruit Grower >> Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for the birds, but there is new information that can help them make informed decisions ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From jimfruth at charter.net Fri Jan 29 09:06:58 2016 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:06:58 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Not true In-Reply-To: <89F4A83F-E29E-4637-833B-CDFBB6DB9BEE@yahoo.com> References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405810A75@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net><56AAF605.6030703@cuttsreviews.com> <89F4A83F-E29E-4637-833B-CDFBB6DB9BEE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: ?Black fruit target only the local birds,? Local birds are not a problem. Migrating birds are all the problem. -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Kacalanos Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 7:35 AM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) Maybe red beads would work even for the black fruit. I heard that red and black fruit have different seed dispersal strategies. Red fruit are obviously very showy, attracting all the fruit-eaters. Black fruit target only the local birds, not the ones that are just passing through, by turning red and conspicuous before they're ripe, so local animals make a mental note to come back for them later. Then when they ripen, they turn inconspicuously black, so only the animals that are in-the-know can find them. This ensures that the seeds are dropped somewhat locally, where they are adapted. I don't know if this is true or not, but I can't think of a different explanation for why any plant would have fruit that are inconspicuous when ripe. Melissa Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity). > On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Jay Cutts wrote: > > I can kind of see why black doesn't work. Red is a strong color that stands out in nature so that birds would be attracted to the color, as it indicates ripeness. Birds may not be attracted to the color per se of black berries, as lots of things are very dark colored in nature. > > Regards, > > Jay > > Jay Cutts > Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews > Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book > Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards > Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book > (505)-281-0684 > 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days > >> On 1/28/2016 8:08 PM, Jim Fruth wrote: >> Sam, >> >> I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. >> >> Jim Fruth >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:16 AM >> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds (Good Fruit Grower) >> >> Saving cherries from the birds (http://www.goodfruit.com/saving-cherries-from-the-birds/ ) >> Good Fruit Grower >> Cherry growers sometimes feel like they're growing fruit mainly for the birds, but there is new information that can help them make informed decisions ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From jimfruth at charter.net Fri Jan 29 10:13:27 2016 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:13:27 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43295732A8A043888A34E055E27DBA43@OwnerPC> Alan, You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines in US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia Jim -----Original Message----- From: Alan Haigh Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum? Some members who don't also participate on nafex at lists might be interested. I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very long time. I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From naomi at oznayim.us Fri Jan 29 10:33:31 2016 From: naomi at oznayim.us (Naomi Counides) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:33:31 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. In-Reply-To: <43295732A8A043888A34E055E27DBA43@OwnerPC> References: <43295732A8A043888A34E055E27DBA43@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <018201d15aaa$6f965b80$4ec31280$@oznayim.us> Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that. Naomi -----Original Message----- From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. Alan, You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines in US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia Jim -----Original Message----- From: Alan Haigh Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum? Some members who don't also participate on nafex at lists might be interested. I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very long time. I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From mariaschu at vtlink.net Fri Jan 29 10:50:40 2016 From: mariaschu at vtlink.net (Maria) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:50:40 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. In-Reply-To: <018201d15aaa$6f965b80$4ec31280$@oznayim.us> References: <43295732A8A043888A34E055E27DBA43@OwnerPC> <018201d15aaa$6f965b80$4ec31280$@oznayim.us> Message-ID: <56AB8A50.3050000@vtlink.net> What about honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second they ripen. Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries? Maria On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote: > Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that. > Naomi > > -----Original Message----- > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Alan, > You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines in > US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Haigh > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum? > Some members who don't also participate on nafex at lists might be interested. > I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel > foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very > long time. > > I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red plastic > 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the > strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the rocks, > hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry > beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is > done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work > with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From jimfruth at charter.net Fri Jan 29 11:11:03 2016 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:11:03 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. In-Reply-To: <56AB8A50.3050000@vtlink.net> References: <43295732A8A043888A34E055E27DBA43@OwnerPC><018201d15aaa$6f965b80$4ec31280$@oznayim.us> <56AB8A50.3050000@vtlink.net> Message-ID: <154D773A71D4460FA098417104853BA4@OwnerPC> Maria, I haven't had the need. I have netting over my blueberries (needs to be removed for pollination because bumble bees won't fly through it, but that is another subject) and haven't had much of a problem with my honeyberries. Could this be a challenge for you to figure it out? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Maria Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:50 AM To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. What about honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second they ripen. Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries? Maria On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote: > Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that. > Naomi > > -----Original Message----- > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim > Fruth > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Alan, > You have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to magazines > in > US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Haigh > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum? > Some members who don't also participate on nafex at lists might be > interested. > I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel > foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very > long time. > > I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang red > plastic > 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put red painted stones in the > strawberries as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the > rocks, > hurt their beaks and don't come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry > beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming > is > done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry beads do not work > with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From jimfruth at charter.net Fri Jan 29 22:12:19 2016 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:12:19 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Saving cherries from the birds In-Reply-To: <89F4A83F-E29E-4637-833B-CDFBB6DB9BEE@yahoo.com> References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405810A75@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net><56AAF605.6030703@cuttsreviews.com> <89F4A83F-E29E-4637-833B-CDFBB6DB9BEE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1CBAD13AA38F48CA8F555B88AC235E1A@OwnerPC> A METHOD THAT WORKS My black raspberry patch used to be plagued by flocks of Robins and the dummy (black) fruit didn't work like the red decoys did so I bought a BB gun. The BB gun was the old fashioned, lever action type that doesn't make a dent in hard (Oak) wood. I didn't kill any Robins with it but sure made a pest of myself. I soon discovered that if I knocked one down, he'd take off like a bat out of hell and the whole flock followed. Of course, they returned in a week or so and this great white hunter went after them again, and again. Also, when they arrived during their Spring migration, I gave them no rest. I kept at them for several years and, now, they don't come back. No Robins. None. I think they took the hint but I still keep the BB gun handy, just in case. From swim_at_svc at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 00:00:46 2016 From: swim_at_svc at yahoo.com (John S) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 05:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. References: <305304018.2633086.1454130046324.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <305304018.2633086.1454130046324.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct. Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that. But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds. My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to detect ripening fruit. john s -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria wrote: Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM What about honeyberries/haskaps?? The birds eat them all the second they ripen.? Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries? Maria On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote: > Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that. > Naomi > > -----Original Message----- > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Alan, >? ? ? You have my permission to send it to anyone.? I sent it to magazines in > US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Haigh > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum? > Some members who don't also participate on nafex at lists might be interested. > I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel > foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very > long time. > > I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.? Why?? I hang red plastic > 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, > replacing them as they fade.? Also, I put red painted stones in the > strawberries as soon as blooming is finished.? The birds peck on the rocks, > hurt their beaks and don't come back.? AND I hang raspberry shaped berry > beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is > done.? It doesn't work 100% but it helps.? Black berry beads do not work > with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From swim_at_svc at yahoo.com Sat Jan 30 00:05:57 2016 From: swim_at_svc at yahoo.com (John S) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 05:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. References: <1957701413.2677156.1454130357259.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1957701413.2677156.1454130357259.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct.? Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans.? A black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with our eyes.? Fruits can signal ripening by changing color.? We all know that.? But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds.? My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American magazine many years ago.? I am not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more skilled than I can likely find it.? As I recall, part of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to detect ripening fruit. john s -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria wrote: Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM What about honeyberries/haskaps?? The birds eat them all the second they ripen.? Jim, have you tried blue beads on honeyberries or blueberries? Maria On 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote: > Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that. > Naomi > > -----Original Message----- > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:13 AM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Alan, >? ? ? You have my permission to send it to anyone.? I sent it to magazines in > US, UK, CA, Australia and Russia > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Haigh > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > > Jim, do you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org forum? > Some members who don't also participate on nafex at lists might be interested. > I always thought this an ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel > foolish for never having tried it as you've been sharing this for a very > long time. > > I grow sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems.? Why?? I hang red plastic > 'cherries' in the trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, > replacing them as they fade.? Also, I put red painted stones in the > strawberries as soon as blooming is finished.? The birds peck on the rocks, > hurt their beaks and don't come back.? AND I hang raspberry shaped berry > beads around the perimeter of the red raspberry patch as soon as blooming is > done.? It doesn't work 100% but it helps.? Black berry beads do not work > with blackberry and black raspberry and I don't know why not. > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From orders at cuttsreviews.com Sat Jan 30 11:00:04 2016 From: orders at cuttsreviews.com (Jay Cutts) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:00:04 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. In-Reply-To: <305304018.2633086.1454130046324.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <305304018.2633086.1454130046324.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <305304018.2633086.1454130046324.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56ACDE04.5050908@cuttsreviews.com> That's interesting. So it may be that a black bead doesn't reflect the same spectrum of color as a black fruit. Regards, Jay Jay Cutts Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book (505)-281-0684 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days On 1/29/2016 10:00 PM, John S wrote: > The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct. Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that. But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds. My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference, but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to detect ripening fruit. > > john s > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria wrote: > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM > > What about > honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second > they > ripen. Jim, have you tried blue > beads on honeyberries or blueberries? > > Maria > > On > 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote: > > > Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that. > > Naomi > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] > On Behalf Of Jim Fruth > > Sent: Friday, > January 29, 2016 8:13 AM > > To: mailing > list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit > Experimenters > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim > Fruth's comments. > > > > Alan, > > You > have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to > magazines in > > US, UK, CA, Australia and > Russia > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: Alan Haigh > > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM > > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's > comments. > > > > Jim, do > you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org > forum? > > Some members who don't also > participate on nafex at lists might be > interested. > > I always thought this an > ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel > > foolish for never having tried it as > you've been sharing this for a very > > > long time. > > > > I grow > sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang > red plastic > > 'cherries' in the > trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, > > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put > red painted stones in the > > strawberries > as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the > rocks, > > hurt their beaks and don't > come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry > > beads around the perimeter of the red > raspberry patch as soon as blooming is > > > done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry > beads do not work > > with blackberry and > black raspberry and I don't know why not. > > __________________ > > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user > > config|list > info: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user > > config|list > info: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit > Experimenters > > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > __________________ > nafex > mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From jimfruth at charter.net Sat Jan 30 16:28:58 2016 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:28:58 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. In-Reply-To: <56ACDE04.5050908@cuttsreviews.com> References: <305304018.2633086.1454130046324.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com><305304018.2633086.1454130046324.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56ACDE04.5050908@cuttsreviews.com> Message-ID: <67B7A2BB33754F21ABF0BE6AC72CFF45@OwnerPC> The beads appear black to our eyes but the fruit is really an intense purple, a color, heretofore, impossible to duplicate in a plastic bead. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Cutts Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 10:00 AM To: John S ; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. That's interesting. So it may be that a black bead doesn't reflect the same spectrum of color as a black fruit. Regards, Jay Jay Cutts Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Flash Cards Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book (505)-281-0684 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days On 1/29/2016 10:00 PM, John S wrote: > The assumption that black fruit is less visible to birds is not correct. > Fruit eating birds see further into ultraviolet than humans. A black > fruit may, in fact, be much brighter in the UV than we can detect with out > eyes. Fruits can signal ripening by changing color. We all know that. > But we cannot see with our eyes how that ripe fruit may appear to birds. > My source is an excellent article that appeared in Scientific American > magazine many years ago. I am not able to locate the actual reference, > but someone more skilled than I can likely find it. As I recall, part of > the article did discuss how changes to UV fruit color was used by birds to > detect ripening fruit. > > john s > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 1/29/16, Maria wrote: > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim Fruth's comments. > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Friday, January 29, 2016, 10:50 AM > What about > honeyberries/haskaps? The birds eat them all the second > they > ripen. Jim, have you tried blue > beads on honeyberries or blueberries? > Maria > On > 1/29/16 10:33 AM, Naomi Counides wrote: > > > Yes, thanks... got some good ideas from that. > > Naomi > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] > On Behalf Of Jim Fruth > > Sent: Friday, > January 29, 2016 8:13 AM > > To: mailing > list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit > Experimenters > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jim > Fruth's comments. > > > > Alan, > > You > have my permission to send it to anyone. I sent it to > magazines in > > US, UK, CA, Australia and > Russia > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: Alan Haigh > > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:05 AM > > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Subject: [nafex] Jim Fruth's > comments. > > > > Jim, do > you mind if I quote your comments on the Growingfruit.org > forum? > > Some members who don't also > participate on nafex at lists might be > interested. > > I always thought this an > ingenious strategy and reading it again I feel > > foolish for never having tried it as > you've been sharing this for a very > > > long time. > > > > I grow > sour cherries and have ZERO bird problems. Why? I hang > red plastic > > 'cherries' in the > trees and leave them in the tree the whole year around, > > replacing them as they fade. Also, I put > red painted stones in the > > strawberries > as soon as blooming is finished. The birds peck on the > rocks, > > hurt their beaks and don't > come back. AND I hang raspberry shaped berry > > beads around the perimeter of the red > raspberry patch as soon as blooming is > > > done. It doesn't work 100% but it helps. Black berry > beads do not work > > with blackberry and > black raspberry and I don't know why not. > > __________________ > > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user > > config|list > info: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user > > config|list > info: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit > Experimenters > > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > __________________ > nafex > mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex