From marillen at earthlink.net Thu Sep 3 21:44:16 2015 From: marillen at earthlink.net (Anton Callaway) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:44:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation Message-ID: <15277768.1441331057003.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until I tried at my most recent site. At this site, I've had 100% failure, though understocks do great. The most annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring. Anton NC Piedmont -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Lehman >Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM >To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >Cc: Cliff England >Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation > >On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote: >> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws that I >> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a year or two, >> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the understock re-grew. >> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named >> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety. >> >> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground and >> walk away, they might have fared better. >Lucky, > >Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the same >experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the graft the >year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard reports of >this following survival of the 1st year. This may be problematic with >pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike for being >transplanted. > >In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted >potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that did >survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my experience with >only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I believe it was >partially my fault as I may not have cared for them sufficiently. We >need to hear from more planters of grafted potted pawpaws. > >About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR nursery. >I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and brought in >dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the Mycorrhizae >fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of every other one >with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can hall 200 gallons at a >time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I had also applied >pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before planting. They were >planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, not trying to put >your method down as it's difficult not to do much else when planting >potted pawpaws.) After planting when active growth had begun which is >when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them using the Omega or >saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived past the 1st year >and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a be a total failure, >and after all that work of planting those 33! > >Jerry > > > > >__________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >message archives >http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex >Google message archive search: >site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] >nafex list mirror sites: >http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog >http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist >http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist >https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist >Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From dwoodard at becon.org Sat Sep 5 03:26:42 2015 From: dwoodard at becon.org (dwoodard at becon.org) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2015 03:26:42 -0400 Subject: [nafex] [ARTICLES] Bears and apples in Montana In-Reply-To: <52272.64.186.116.247.1441389211.squirrel@greatbear.org> References: <52272.64.186.116.247.1441389211.squirrel@greatbear.org> Message-ID: <4fbcde3d6fe08ab36d16a250201f4232@becon.org> See Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario From ramoyer at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 20:30:28 2015 From: ramoyer at gmail.com (Richard Moyer) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 20:30:28 -0400 Subject: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 152, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anton, I suggest contacting Kirk Pomper and/or Neal Peterson, and asking them about graft incompatibility, reasons for graft rejection etc. They've been at this longer than many, so may have some data on this. Neal selected Shenandoah, if I remember right. Richard Moyer Where we picked our first wild pawpaws today. Are blessed with good tasting, large, native pawpaw fruit on our land. Our challenge is fighting back the autumn olives and multiflora rose! From qazingulaza at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 08:48:38 2015 From: qazingulaza at gmail.com (mIEKAL aND) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 07:48:38 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation In-Reply-To: <15277768.1441331057003.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <15277768.1441331057003.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm about 200 miles north of the native range of pawpaws, I was thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness issue, but maybe there is something else going on. A few of my grated trees that died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe 1/2" or more caliper. Everyone has winterkilled, scion and rootstock. ~mIEKAL On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway wrote: > I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until I tried at my most recent site. At this site, I've had 100% failure, though understocks do great. The most annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring. > > Anton > NC Piedmont > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Jerry Lehman >>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM >>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>Cc: Cliff England >>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation >> >>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote: >>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws that I >>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a year or two, >>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the understock re-grew. >>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named >>> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety. >>> >>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground and >>> walk away, they might have fared better. >>Lucky, >> >>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the same >>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the graft the >>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard reports of >>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be problematic with >>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike for being >>transplanted. >> >>In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted >>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that did >>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my experience with >>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I believe it was >>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them sufficiently. We >>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted pawpaws. >> >>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR nursery. >>I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and brought in >>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the Mycorrhizae >>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of every other one >>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can hall 200 gallons at a >>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I had also applied >>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before planting. They were >>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, not trying to put >>your method down as it's difficult not to do much else when planting >>potted pawpaws.) After planting when active growth had begun which is >>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them using the Omega or >>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived past the 1st year >>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a be a total failure, >>and after all that work of planting those 33! >> >>Jerry >> >> >> >> >>__________________ >>nafex mailing list >>nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >>message archives >>http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex >>Google message archive search: >>site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] >>nafex list mirror sites: >>http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog >>http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist >>http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist >>https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist >>Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From treehugger53ah at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 14:57:31 2015 From: treehugger53ah at yahoo.com (Henry) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:57:31 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1441565851.89165.YahooMailBasic@web121103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Robert from the Men's and Women's Garden Club of Minneapolis has had great luck growing pawpaws from seed he got from Oikos. --Henry Fieldseth Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4 -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 9/6/15, mIEKAL aND wrote: Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation To: "Anton Callaway" , "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" Date: Sunday, September 6, 2015, 7:48 AM I'm about 200 miles north of the native range of pawpaws, I was thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness issue, but maybe there is something else going on.? A few of my grated trees that died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe 1/2" or more caliper.? Everyone has winterkilled, scion and rootstock. ~mIEKAL On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway wrote: > I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until I tried at my most recent site.? At this site, I've had 100% failure, though understocks do great.? The most annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring. > > Anton > NC Piedmont > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Jerry Lehman >>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM >>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>Cc: Cliff England >>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation >> >>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote: >>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - container-grown pawpaws that I >>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, often grew for a year or two, >>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and the understock re-grew. >>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that were topworked to named >>> selections... no decline or death of the grafted variety. >>> >>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than chunk 'em in the ground and >>> walk away, they might have fared better. >>Lucky, >> >>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if others have had the same >>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to abort the graft the >>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not heard reports of >>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be problematic with >>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike for being >>transplanted. >> >>In thinking about personal experience. I've only planted 3 grafted >>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 years. One that did >>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. But my experience with >>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. I believe it was >>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them sufficiently. We >>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted pawpaws. >> >>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from the IDNR nursery. >>I also have a wild population and took the tractor back and brought in >>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring in the Mycorrhizae >>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the holes of every other one >>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can hall 200 gallons at a >>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I had also applied >>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before planting. They were >>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, not trying to put >>your method down as it's difficult not to do much else when planting >>potted pawpaws.)? After planting when active growth had begun which is >>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them using the Omega or >>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived past the 1st year >>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a be a total failure, >>and after all that work of planting those 33! >> >>Jerry >> >> >> >> >>__________________ >>nafex mailing list >>nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >>message archives >>http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex >>Google message archive search: >>site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] >>nafex list mirror sites: >>http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog >>http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist >>http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist >>https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist >>Avant Geared? http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared? http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared? http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From qazingulaza at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 18:32:16 2015 From: qazingulaza at gmail.com (mIEKAL aND) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 17:32:16 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation In-Reply-To: <1441565851.89165.YahooMailBasic@web121103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1441565851.89165.YahooMailBasic@web121103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure Oikos pawpaws would be seedlings rather than grafted. On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Henry via nafex wrote: > Robert from the Men's and Women's Garden Club of Minneapolis has had great luck growing pawpaws from seed he got from Oikos. > > --Henry Fieldseth > Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4 > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 9/6/15, mIEKAL aND wrote: > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation > To: "Anton Callaway" , "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" > Date: Sunday, September 6, 2015, 7:48 AM > > I'm about 200 miles north of the > native range of pawpaws, I was > thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness > issue, but > maybe there is something else going on. A few of my > grated trees that > died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe > 1/2" or > more caliper. Everyone has winterkilled, scion and > rootstock. > > ~mIEKAL > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway > wrote: > > I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until > I tried at my most recent site. At this site, I've had > 100% failure, though understocks do great. The most > annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above > the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring. > > > > Anton > > NC Piedmont > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Jerry Lehman > >>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM > >>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied > Fruit Experimenters > >>Cc: Cliff England > >>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and > observation > >> > >>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote: > >>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's - > container-grown pawpaws that I > >>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later, > often grew for a year or two, > >>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and > the understock re-grew. > >>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that > were topworked to named > >>> selections... no decline or death of the > grafted variety. > >>> > >>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than > chunk 'em in the ground and > >>> walk away, they might have fared better. > >>Lucky, > >> > >>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if > others have had the same > >>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to > abort the graft the > >>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not > heard reports of > >>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be > problematic with > >>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike > for being > >>transplanted. > >> > >>In thinking about personal experience. I've only > planted 3 grafted > >>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2 > years. One that did > >>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year. > But my experience with > >>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion. > I believe it was > >>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them > sufficiently. We > >>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted > pawpaws. > >> > >>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from > the IDNR nursery. > >>I also have a wild population and took the tractor > back and brought in > >>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring > in the Mycorrhizae > >>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the > holes of every other one > >>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can > hall 200 gallons at a > >>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I > had also applied > >>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before > planting. They were > >>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky, > not trying to put > >>your method down as it's difficult not to do much > else when planting > >>potted pawpaws.) After planting when active > growth had begun which is > >>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them > using the Omega or > >>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived > past the 1st year > >>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a > be a total failure, > >>and after all that work of planting those 33! > >> > >>Jerry > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________ > >>nafex mailing list > >>nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > >>Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > >>subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > >>http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > >>message archives > >>http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > >>Google message archive search: > >>site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > [searchstring] > >>nafex list mirror sites: > >>http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > >>http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > >>http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > >>https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > >>Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > message archives > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > > Google message archive search: > > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > > nafex list mirror sites: > > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > > Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Tue Sep 8 12:01:06 2015 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 16:01:06 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Apples are forbidden fruit along Lake County streets Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057A47B6@055-CH1MPN1-033.055d.mgd.msft.net> Apples are forbidden fruit along Lake County streets nwitimes.com Apples are forbidden fruit along Lake County streets ... including the crab tree, because they drop fruit into the sewers, are prone to insect infestations ... 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Reconnecting with Pawpaws, America's Forgotten Fruit - Paste Magazine Full Coverage From dwoodard at becon.org Thu Sep 10 07:38:33 2015 From: dwoodard at becon.org (dwoodard at becon.org) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 07:38:33 -0400 Subject: [nafex] [ARTICLE] British cherry harvest hits 30-year high In-Reply-To: <5F2AE66BB12B4D3B8237C87BCD150114@JohnPC> References: <5F2AE66BB12B4D3B8237C87BCD150114@JohnPC> Message-ID: <50164f10a837b8f91926dc303dc4c7d6@becon.org> See http://gu.com/p/4c6mz/sbl Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada From lhdavis8 at knology.net Tue Sep 8 18:55:42 2015 From: lhdavis8 at knology.net (Lester Davis) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nafex] Budding and Grafting Paw Paws In-Reply-To: <133585553.6989210.1441750899954.JavaMail.zimbra@knology.net> Message-ID: <2076222585.7021798.1441752942340.JavaMail.zimbra@knology.net> I have had very few failures when bark-grafting or chip budding paw paws.? I always try to align the foreign buds in line and between two buds on the rootstock.?? I? bark graft onto a limb ? if it is large enough to receive a scion.?? Does everyone else use this procedure or do you random place buds on any smooth part of the rootstock???? I have in ground small trees for rootstock ? that will try next spring? with buds misaligned to see it makes any difference. ? I use the same technique when budding and grafting chestnuts and shown in '85th Annual Report' of Northern Nut Growers Association? dated Aug 1994 with excellent results. ? Lester H. Davis Columbus, GA From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Mon Sep 14 10:46:18 2015 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:46:18 +0000 Subject: [nafex] =?windows-1252?q?The_best-tasting=2C_biggest_American_fru?= =?windows-1252?q?it_you_probably_haven=92t_tasted_=28Washington_Post=29?= Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057AD96F@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/the-best-tasting-biggest-american-fruit-you-probably-havent-tasted/2015/09/13/ca731ff4-5701-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html The best-tasting, biggest American fruit you probably haven?t tasted From jimfruth at charter.net Mon Sep 14 23:49:02 2015 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 22:49:02 -0500 Subject: [nafex] I want to buy some Pawpaw fruit Message-ID: Provide your name and address and I?ll send you a check. 5 pounds? From jimfruth at charter.net Tue Sep 15 00:13:54 2015 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 23:13:54 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw sale? Message-ID: <20608BB9948942658F3AE6A5B384BC3E@OwnerPC> I forgot to include my email: jimfruth at charter.net From jwlehmantree at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 07:38:19 2015 From: jwlehmantree at gmail.com (Jerry Lehman) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 07:38:19 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw sale? In-Reply-To: <20608BB9948942658F3AE6A5B384BC3E@OwnerPC> References: <20608BB9948942658F3AE6A5B384BC3E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <55F8032B.4050606@gmail.com> On 9/15/2015 12:13 AM, Jim Fruth wrote: > I forgot to include my email: jimfruth at charter.net Jim, I'm at a complete loss. Who was this message intended for? I don't have any previous messages with the subject line, _pawpaw sale?_ If for myself please send off-line message. _ _Jerry_ _ From fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com Tue Sep 15 00:29:14 2015 From: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com (fuwa fuwa usagi) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 21:29:14 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Fruitful and fancy presentation 2015 Message-ID: <20150914212914.BAE88338@m0087791.ppops.net> Gang, Our esteemed list administrator and colleague Lawrence asked that I share this with you. Last weekend I was asked to speak at an annual gardening festival. What follows is the unfortunately rather hastily assembled presentation. For those who do not make presentations, understand they serve as outline of what you will discuss, or more like an abstract. The presenter charged with providing details and bringing the presentation alive through oration. So if it seems dry, well that is the natures of the slides, they are not living breathing things nor do they provide many details. The things that brigs them to life and adds depth ad substance is the person presenting the materials. In the end it was very, very well received. The feedback was extremely positive and most in attendance stated they wished it were 90 minutes rather than an hour in duration.. Submitted for what ever it is worth... the fluffy one P.S. to edwardo, ozzie and alan, I miss you guys... _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nafex_Version_festival1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 5684274 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com Tue Sep 15 10:46:56 2015 From: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com (fuwa fuwa usagi) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 07:46:56 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Fruitful and fancy presentation 2015 Message-ID: <20150915074656.BAEA63C7@m0087794.ppops.net> Gang, Our esteemed list administrator and colleague Lawrence asked that I share this with you. Last weekend I was asked to speak at an annual gardening festival. What follows is the unfortunately rather hastily assembled presentation. For those who do not make presentations, understand they serve as outline of what you will discuss, or more like an abstract. The presenter charged with providing details and bringing the presentation alive through oration. So if it seems dry, well that is the natures of the slides, they are not living breathing things nor do they provide many details. The things that brings them to life and adds depth and substance is the person presenting the materials. In the end it was very, very well received. The feedback was extremely positive and most in attendance stated they wished it were 90 minutes rather than an hour in duration.. Submitted for what ever it is worth... the fluffy one _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nafex_Version_festival1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 5684274 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rosholdt at erols.com Tue Sep 15 16:47:32 2015 From: rosholdt at erols.com (Rosholdt) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:47:32 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw tasting this Saturday Message-ID: <55F883E4.30802@erols.com> Hey y'all! I will be presenting a Pawpaw tasting this Saturday at City Boy Farms in Mineral, VA. Please paste: http://vabf.org/pawpaw-tasting-and-production-workshop/ for info. It was a member only venue at the beginning, but tomorrow will open to public. Space is limited, so register if you'd like to come. Barb Z7 3Domes From jimfruth at charter.net Tue Sep 15 21:51:17 2015 From: jimfruth at charter.net (Jim Fruth) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:51:17 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw sale? In-Reply-To: <55F8032B.4050606@gmail.com> References: <20608BB9948942658F3AE6A5B384BC3E@OwnerPC> <55F8032B.4050606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <92AE8E18B3244A09AD0611697A367FF5@OwnerPC> I'm looking to buy 5 lbs. of ripe Pawpaws to be mailed to me. Do you know anyone who might handle my request/purchase? Jim Fruth -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Lehman Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:38 AM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw sale? On 9/15/2015 12:13 AM, Jim Fruth wrote: > I forgot to include my email: jimfruth at charter.net Jim, I'm at a complete loss. Who was this message intended for? I don't have any previous messages with the subject line, _pawpaw sale?_ If for myself please send off-line message. _ _Jerry_ _ __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From rosholdt at erols.com Wed Sep 16 07:54:08 2015 From: rosholdt at erols.com (Rosholdt) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:54:08 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw sale? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55F95860.5010604@erols.com> 2. Re: Pawpaw sale? (Jim Fruth) You might check with Jerry Lehman (INGA) or Ron Powell (OPGA). Also check the Indiana Nut and Fruit Growers and Ohio Pawpaw Growers Association. OPGA has a listserve. Barb R. Central VA Z7 Re: [nafex] Pawpaw sale?.eml Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw sale? From: "Jim Fruth" Date: 9/15/2015 9:51 PM To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" I'm looking to buy 5 lbs. of ripe Pawpaws to be mailed to me. Do you know anyone who might handle my request/purchase? Jim Fruth From jwlehmantree at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 09:33:50 2015 From: jwlehmantree at gmail.com (Jerry Lehman) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:33:50 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Pawpaw sale? In-Reply-To: <92AE8E18B3244A09AD0611697A367FF5@OwnerPC> References: <20608BB9948942658F3AE6A5B384BC3E@OwnerPC> <55F8032B.4050606@gmail.com> <92AE8E18B3244A09AD0611697A367FF5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <55F96FBE.3080706@gmail.com> On 9/15/2015 9:51 PM, Jim Fruth wrote: > I'm looking to buy 5 lbs. of ripe Pawpaws to be mailed to me. Do you > know anyone who might handle my request/purchase? Another question, what State are you in? From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Fri Sep 18 11:02:38 2015 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:02:38 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Ohio Scholar Studies Pawpaw Fruit For Future Food Products Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057B5C1E@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> Ohio Scholar Studies Pawpaw Fruit For Future Food Products WOSU September in Ohio brings not only cooler temperatures, but the ripening of a special fruit called the pawpaw. It's North America's largest native tree fruit ... http://radio.wosu.org/post/ohio-scholar-studies-pawpaw-fruit-future-food-products From ehilborn at mebtel.net Sun Sep 20 14:47:38 2015 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:47:38 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Yates persimmon update In-Reply-To: <50164f10a837b8f91926dc303dc4c7d6@becon.org> References: <5F2AE66BB12B4D3B8237C87BCD150114@JohnPC> <50164f10a837b8f91926dc303dc4c7d6@becon.org> Message-ID: <55FEFF4A.3040702@mebtel.net> Hi folks, I previously posted in 2014 that I was perplexed why my 'Yates' persimmon contained seeds for the first time since I planted it. The tree has been bearing for about 4 years total. I live in an area with only 60 chromosome natives. There are no other 90 chromosome trees nearby (to my knowledge) except in my orchard. In 2014 these consisted of 3 selected varieties of grafted female kakis, 2 of which were old enough to bloom, and the Yates. Last year each Yates fruit contained 5 - 6 fully formed seeds. This year, they contain an average of about 1 seed per fruit. Most fruits are seedless, some have had up to 3 seeds per fruit. What has changed: I performed winter pruning this spring so it is possible that I pruned off a branch on a tree that had previously produced male flowers. I lost my Wase Fuyu during our unusually cold winter so it did not produce flowers this spring. The third kaki produced blooms for the first time in 2015. What I discovered: I evaluated each surviving persimmon tree for male flowers this spring. I detected none. Although I was looking for sports, so if I saw a branch covered with female flowers, I did not examine each flower on the branch, it is possible that I missed individual male flowers (if that occurs). I propagated every seed from the 2014 Yates crop. I guess I will find out what the 2014 pollinizer was in 8 years or so! Betsy Hilborn 7a Central NC From fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com Sun Sep 20 17:52:38 2015 From: fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com (fuwa fuwa usagi) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:52:38 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Yates persimmon update Message-ID: <20150920145238.D1FD4EAF@m0087791.ppops.net> Betsy, As I have been following your antics, I certainly appreciate the updates. Keep them coming. tfb _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From lpittman at murraystate.edu Sun Sep 20 21:15:49 2015 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Louis Pittman) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:15:49 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Yates persimmon update In-Reply-To: <55FEFF4A.3040702@mebtel.net> References: <5F2AE66BB12B4D3B8237C87BCD150114@JohnPC> <50164f10a837b8f91926dc303dc4c7d6@becon.org> <55FEFF4A.3040702@mebtel.net> Message-ID: Betsy, I'm 'supposed' to be in 60-chromosome land, too... supposedly, the Ohio River is the 'dividing line' between 90-C and 60-C, and I'm over 100 miles south of the Ohio. All my 90-C females have produced mostly seeded fruit, for years... some less seedy than others, and occasionally some seedless fruit. Yes, I have Garretson and Early Golden and some of the Claypools, so maybe they're pushing male flowers, but I was getting seeded fruits when all I had were a couple of non-EG heritage females. Lucky On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Elizabeth wrote: > Hi folks, > I previously posted in 2014 that I was perplexed why my 'Yates' persimmon > contained seeds for the first time since I planted it. The tree has been > bearing for about 4 years total. I live in an area with only 60 chromosome > natives. There are no other 90 chromosome trees nearby (to my knowledge) > except in my orchard. In 2014 these consisted of 3 selected varieties of > grafted female kakis, 2 of which were old enough to bloom, and the Yates. > > Last year each Yates fruit contained 5 - 6 fully formed seeds. This year, > they contain an average of about 1 seed per fruit. Most fruits are > seedless, some have had up to 3 seeds per fruit. > > What has changed: I performed winter pruning this spring so it is possible > that I pruned off a branch on a tree that had previously produced male > flowers. I lost my Wase Fuyu during our unusually cold winter so it did not > produce flowers this spring. The third kaki produced blooms for the first > time in 2015. > > What I discovered: I evaluated each surviving persimmon tree for male > flowers this spring. I detected none. Although I was looking for sports, so > if I saw a branch covered with female flowers, I did not examine each > flower on the branch, it is possible that I missed individual male flowers > (if that occurs). > > I propagated every seed from the 2014 Yates crop. I guess I will find out > what the 2014 pollinizer was in 8 years or so! > > Betsy Hilborn > 7a Central NC > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared > From jwlehmantree at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 07:35:28 2015 From: jwlehmantree at gmail.com (Jerry Lehman) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:35:28 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Yates persimmon update In-Reply-To: References: <5F2AE66BB12B4D3B8237C87BCD150114@JohnPC> <50164f10a837b8f91926dc303dc4c7d6@becon.org> <55FEFF4A.3040702@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <55FFEB80.5000902@gmail.com> Good Morning Lucky and Betsy, There is no hard dividing line between the range of 60 and 90 chromosome race of persimmon. I feel sure that North of the Ohio River you will find some sixties and South you will find some nineties. And we are finding that many of the 90 chromosome persimmons will set seedless fruit without a 90 C pollinator. Also some varieties of the 90 C will set some seedless fruit when there is ample 90 C pollen available. Mohler seedless is an example of a variety setting many seedless fruits in the presence of ample pollination. The Meader persimmon with 90 C pollen available will set fully seeded fruit, with only 60 C pollen available will set seedless fruit and if the flowers are bagged preventing pollen from any plant reaching the pistols will not set fruit at all. When this was discovered Prof. Meader questioned if chestnut pollen could possibly be triggering the parthenocarpic characteristic of the Meader persimmon because in his area his chestnut catkins dehist pollen at the same time. I have 4 named pistillate varieties of 60 C persimmon here with no 60 C males nearby. Three of the 4 drop may be 90% of the fruit without ripening while the 4th, Cliff England's "SFES" variety matures fruit with empty seed cases and occasionally a seed without fully developed cotyledon flesh. Confusing? Oh, and hybridizing the 60 C and 90 C theoretically is not possible because 15 chromosomes remain unpaired. Betsy, I believe the answer to your question regarding the Yates/Juhl variety is the 1st 3 years no 90 chromosome pollen reached the tree so it was seedless. The 4th year there was ample pollen available and it basically set seeded fruit. The persimmon flower consists of 4 stigma and style with 2 eggs at the base of each style providing for a possible fully seeded fruit with 8 seeds and one pollen grain is required for each seed. Therefore theoretically the number of seeds is heavily dependent upon the amount of pollen that reaches the flower which can vary year to year depending on weather conditions. Early Golden will occasionally bear male flowers. I emphasize occasionally. Mr. Claypool used to refer to them as the rare male flower. I have early Golden, Killen, and Garretson, all 3 here, and only once have ever seen male flowers on my Killen, never on early Golden nor Garretson. But I confess I have not eagerly sought male flowers every year. Back in the early nineties while Claypool was still actively breeding using what I call female pollen I went over to observe and learn his techniques. In one Killen tree was one current year growth branch and one current year growth branch on early Golden with male flowers and these were on trees that he was using ladders to get up to the branches maybe 15 feet in the air. And these were the sum total of sport branches on 2 very mature trees. In spite of some reports there is nowhere near enough male flowers to pollinate a tree. Therefore I do not believe that your pruning was the cause for sudden setting of nearly seedless fruit. My thought is, some conditions such as whether reduced the amount of pollen available to the flowers, reducing the seed count from 6 to 1. When Mr. Claypool found a sport bearing staminate flowers he would tie a ribbon to it, marking it. The following year when that sport would produce additional branches he would watch and if a branched produce pistillate flowers he would cut that branch off. His attempts to produce limbs bearing only male flowers naturally failed. He did have some small branchlets with maybe 3 years growth producing only male flowers but it was achieved by pruning not by natural selection. In other words the sport that produced male flowers in 2nd year's growth would revert back to pistillate flowers. They acted like a chimera, that is a mixture of cells containing different chromosomes or different recombination of genes. A side note of possible interest: Last spring Doug Fell found one small 8 inch branch on his early Golden with male flowers, the 1st he had ever seen. The 1st one that I have seen in maybe 5 years. Doug cut it from the tree and I made 4 Greenwood grafts of that piece and 3 were successful. When they flower will they produce staminate flowers? That remains to be seen but Mr. Claypool reported that when he and Prof. JC McDaniel grafted limbs producing male flowers they reverted to producing pistillate flowers. And yes when male flowers are produced on pistillate trees they are single branches that I believe are sport limbs. Jerry Lehman On 9/20/2015 9:15 PM, Louis Pittman wrote: I'm 'supposed' to be in 60-chromosome land, too... supposedly, the Ohio River is the 'dividing line' between 90-C and 60-C, and I'm over 100 miles south of the Ohio. All my 90-C females have produced mostly seeded fruit, for years... some less seedy than others, and occasionally some seedless fruit. Yes, I have Garretson and Early Golden and some of the Claypools, so maybe they're pushing male flowers, but I was getting seeded fruits when all I had were a couple of non-EG heritage females. Lucky On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Elizabeth wrote: >Hi folks, >I previously posted in 2014 that I was perplexed why my 'Yates' persimmon >contained seeds for the first time since I planted it. The tree has been >bearing for about 4 years total. I live in an area with only 60 chromosome >natives. There are no other 90 chromosome trees nearby (to my knowledge) >except in my orchard. In 2014 these consisted of 3 selected varieties of >grafted female kakis, 2 of which were old enough to bloom, and the Yates. > >Last year each Yates fruit contained 5 - 6 fully formed seeds. This year, >they contain an average of about 1 seed per fruit. Most fruits are >seedless, some have had up to 3 seeds per fruit. > >What has changed: I performed winter pruning this spring so it is possible >that I pruned off a branch on a tree that had previously produced male >flowers. I lost my Wase Fuyu during our unusually cold winter so it did not >produce flowers this spring. The third kaki produced blooms for the first >time in 2015. > >What I discovered: I evaluated each surviving persimmon tree for male >flowers this spring. I detected none. Although I was looking for sports, so >if I saw a branch covered with female flowers, I did not examine each >flower on the branch, it is possible that I missed individual male flowers >(if that occurs). > >I propagated every seed from the 2014 Yates crop. I guess I will find out >what the 2014 pollinizer was in 8 years or so! > >Betsy Hilborn From jakuehn at verizon.net Mon Sep 21 09:31:06 2015 From: jakuehn at verizon.net (Jacquelyn Kuehn) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:31:06 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Yates persimmon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <096A039F-7257-481B-B025-7BBA6744233E@verizon.net> My friends, you?ve written an article?s worth of valuable information. May I reprint this exchange in a Pomona? Thanks so much. Jackie Jacquelyn Kuehn pennsacreskitchen.net > On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:41 AM, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > > Send nafex mailing list submissions to > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Yates persimmon update (Jerry Lehman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:35:28 -0400 > From: Jerry Lehman > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Yates persimmon update > Message-ID: <55FFEB80.5000902 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Good Morning Lucky and Betsy, > > There is no hard dividing line between the range of 60 and 90 chromosome > race of persimmon. I feel sure that North of the Ohio River you will > find some sixties and South you will find some nineties. And we are > finding that many of the 90 chromosome persimmons will set seedless > fruit without a 90 C pollinator. Also some varieties of the 90 C will > set some seedless fruit when there is ample 90 C pollen available. > Mohler seedless is an example of a variety setting many seedless fruits > in the presence of ample pollination. The Meader persimmon with 90 C > pollen available will set fully seeded fruit, with only 60 C pollen > available will set seedless fruit and if the flowers are bagged > preventing pollen from any plant reaching the pistols will not set fruit > at all. When this was discovered Prof. Meader questioned if chestnut > pollen could possibly be triggering the parthenocarpic characteristic of > the Meader persimmon because in his area his chestnut catkins dehist > pollen at the same time. I have 4 named pistillate varieties of 60 C > persimmon here with no 60 C males nearby. Three of the 4 drop may be 90% > of the fruit without ripening while the 4th, Cliff England's "SFES" > variety matures fruit with empty seed cases and occasionally a seed > without fully developed cotyledon flesh. Confusing? Oh, and hybridizing > the 60 C and 90 C theoretically is not possible because 15 chromosomes > remain unpaired. > > Betsy, I believe the answer to your question regarding the Yates/Juhl > variety is the 1st 3 years no 90 chromosome pollen reached the tree so > it was seedless. The 4th year there was ample pollen available and it > basically set seeded fruit. The persimmon flower consists of 4 stigma > and style with 2 eggs at the base of each style providing for a possible > fully seeded fruit with 8 seeds and one pollen grain is required for > each seed. Therefore theoretically the number of seeds is heavily > dependent upon the amount of pollen that reaches the flower which can > vary year to year depending on weather conditions. > > Early Golden will occasionally bear male flowers. I emphasize > occasionally. Mr. Claypool used to refer to them as the rare male > flower. I have early Golden, Killen, and Garretson, all 3 here, and only > once have ever seen male flowers on my Killen, never on early Golden nor > Garretson. But I confess I have not eagerly sought male flowers every > year. Back in the early nineties while Claypool was still actively > breeding using what I call female pollen I went over to observe and > learn his techniques. In one Killen tree was one current year growth > branch and one current year growth branch on early Golden with male > flowers and these were on trees that he was using ladders to get up to > the branches maybe 15 feet in the air. And these were the sum total of > sport branches on 2 very mature trees. In spite of some reports there is > nowhere near enough male flowers to pollinate a tree. Therefore I do not > believe that your pruning was the cause for sudden setting of nearly > seedless fruit. My thought is, some conditions such as whether reduced > the amount of pollen available to the flowers, reducing the seed count > from 6 to 1. > > When Mr. Claypool found a sport bearing staminate flowers he would tie a > ribbon to it, marking it. The following year when that sport would > produce additional branches he would watch and if a branched produce > pistillate flowers he would cut that branch off. His attempts to produce > limbs bearing only male flowers naturally failed. He did have some small > branchlets with maybe 3 years growth producing only male flowers but it > was achieved by pruning not by natural selection. In other words the > sport that produced male flowers in 2nd year's growth would revert back > to pistillate flowers. They acted like a chimera, that is a mixture of > cells containing different chromosomes or different recombination of genes. > > A side note of possible interest: Last spring Doug Fell found one small > 8 inch branch on his early Golden with male flowers, the 1st he had ever > seen. The 1st one that I have seen in maybe 5 years. Doug cut it from > the tree and I made 4 Greenwood grafts of that piece and 3 were > successful. When they flower will they produce staminate flowers? That > remains to be seen but Mr. Claypool reported that when he and Prof. JC > McDaniel grafted limbs producing male flowers they reverted to producing > pistillate flowers. And yes when male flowers are produced on pistillate > trees they are single branches that I believe are sport limbs. > > Jerry Lehman > > > On 9/20/2015 9:15 PM, Louis Pittman wrote: > > I'm 'supposed' to be in 60-chromosome land, too... supposedly, the Ohio > River is the 'dividing line' between 90-C and 60-C, and I'm over 100 miles > south of the Ohio. All my 90-C females have produced mostly seeded fruit, > for years... some less seedy than others, and occasionally some seedless > fruit. > Yes, I have Garretson and Early Golden and some of the Claypools, so maybe > they're pushing male flowers, but I was getting seeded fruits when all I > had were a couple of non-EG heritage females. > > Lucky > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Elizabeth wrote: >> Hi folks, >> I previously posted in 2014 that I was perplexed why my 'Yates' persimmon >> contained seeds for the first time since I planted it. The tree has been >> bearing for about 4 years total. I live in an area with only 60 chromosome >> natives. There are no other 90 chromosome trees nearby (to my knowledge) >> except in my orchard. In 2014 these consisted of 3 selected varieties of >> grafted female kakis, 2 of which were old enough to bloom, and the Yates. >> >> Last year each Yates fruit contained 5 - 6 fully formed seeds. This year, >> they contain an average of about 1 seed per fruit. Most fruits are >> seedless, some have had up to 3 seeds per fruit. >> >> What has changed: I performed winter pruning this spring so it is possible >> that I pruned off a branch on a tree that had previously produced male >> flowers. I lost my Wase Fuyu during our unusually cold winter so it did not >> produce flowers this spring. The third kaki produced blooms for the first >> time in 2015. >> >> What I discovered: I evaluated each surviving persimmon tree for male >> flowers this spring. I detected none. Although I was looking for sports, so >> if I saw a branch covered with female flowers, I did not examine each >> flower on the branch, it is possible that I missed individual male flowers >> (if that occurs). >> >> I propagated every seed from the 2014 Yates crop. I guess I will find out >> what the 2014 pollinizer was in 8 years or so! >> >> Betsy Hilborn > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > ------------------------------ > > End of nafex Digest, Vol 155, Issue 1 > ************************************* From jwlehmantree at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 10:29:31 2015 From: jwlehmantree at gmail.com (Jerry Lehman) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 10:29:31 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Yates persimmon In-Reply-To: <096A039F-7257-481B-B025-7BBA6744233E@verizon.net> References: <096A039F-7257-481B-B025-7BBA6744233E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5600144B.8020001@gmail.com> Hi Jackie, You certainly have my permission and maybe I should expand upon the explanation. I'm sure that Lucky and Betsy fully understand but it may be a little too technical for newer, less experienced persimmon readers. When I wrote that the thought went through my mind of writing a longer article for Pomona and the Indiana nut and fruit growers and anyone else who might wish to publish. But you can certainly let it go the way it is if you wish. Right now I'm very busy as last Friday we shipped almost 700 pounds to the processor and yesterday the pickers picked another 400 pounds. I also have 3 small orders for pawpaw to ship today. I need to write a report for the winter issue once harvest is over. I've not written a report as the persimmon chair in several years. Please remind me later on. Jerry On 9/21/2015 9:31 AM, Jacquelyn Kuehn wrote: > My friends, you?ve written an article?s worth of valuable information. May I reprint this exchange in a Pomona? > > Thanks so much. > > Jackie > > > Jacquelyn Kuehn > > pennsacreskitchen.net > >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:41 AM, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: >> >> Send nafex mailing list submissions to >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Yates persimmon update (Jerry Lehman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:35:28 -0400 >> From: Jerry Lehman >> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> >> Subject: Re: [nafex] Yates persimmon update >> Message-ID: <55FFEB80.5000902 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Good Morning Lucky and Betsy, >> >> There is no hard dividing line between the range of 60 and 90 chromosome >> race of persimmon. I feel sure that North of the Ohio River you will >> find some sixties and South you will find some nineties. And we are >> finding that many of the 90 chromosome persimmons will set seedless >> fruit without a 90 C pollinator. Also some varieties of the 90 C will >> set some seedless fruit when there is ample 90 C pollen available. >> Mohler seedless is an example of a variety setting many seedless fruits >> in the presence of ample pollination. The Meader persimmon with 90 C >> pollen available will set fully seeded fruit, with only 60 C pollen >> available will set seedless fruit and if the flowers are bagged >> preventing pollen from any plant reaching the pistols will not set fruit >> at all. When this was discovered Prof. Meader questioned if chestnut >> pollen could possibly be triggering the parthenocarpic characteristic of >> the Meader persimmon because in his area his chestnut catkins dehist >> pollen at the same time. I have 4 named pistillate varieties of 60 C >> persimmon here with no 60 C males nearby. Three of the 4 drop may be 90% >> of the fruit without ripening while the 4th, Cliff England's "SFES" >> variety matures fruit with empty seed cases and occasionally a seed >> without fully developed cotyledon flesh. Confusing? Oh, and hybridizing >> the 60 C and 90 C theoretically is not possible because 15 chromosomes >> remain unpaired. >> >> Betsy, I believe the answer to your question regarding the Yates/Juhl >> variety is the 1st 3 years no 90 chromosome pollen reached the tree so >> it was seedless. The 4th year there was ample pollen available and it >> basically set seeded fruit. The persimmon flower consists of 4 stigma >> and style with 2 eggs at the base of each style providing for a possible >> fully seeded fruit with 8 seeds and one pollen grain is required for >> each seed. Therefore theoretically the number of seeds is heavily >> dependent upon the amount of pollen that reaches the flower which can >> vary year to year depending on weather conditions. >> >> Early Golden will occasionally bear male flowers. I emphasize >> occasionally. Mr. Claypool used to refer to them as the rare male >> flower. I have early Golden, Killen, and Garretson, all 3 here, and only >> once have ever seen male flowers on my Killen, never on early Golden nor >> Garretson. But I confess I have not eagerly sought male flowers every >> year. Back in the early nineties while Claypool was still actively >> breeding using what I call female pollen I went over to observe and >> learn his techniques. In one Killen tree was one current year growth >> branch and one current year growth branch on early Golden with male >> flowers and these were on trees that he was using ladders to get up to >> the branches maybe 15 feet in the air. And these were the sum total of >> sport branches on 2 very mature trees. In spite of some reports there is >> nowhere near enough male flowers to pollinate a tree. Therefore I do not >> believe that your pruning was the cause for sudden setting of nearly >> seedless fruit. My thought is, some conditions such as whether reduced >> the amount of pollen available to the flowers, reducing the seed count >> from 6 to 1. >> >> When Mr. Claypool found a sport bearing staminate flowers he would tie a >> ribbon to it, marking it. The following year when that sport would >> produce additional branches he would watch and if a branched produce >> pistillate flowers he would cut that branch off. His attempts to produce >> limbs bearing only male flowers naturally failed. He did have some small >> branchlets with maybe 3 years growth producing only male flowers but it >> was achieved by pruning not by natural selection. In other words the >> sport that produced male flowers in 2nd year's growth would revert back >> to pistillate flowers. They acted like a chimera, that is a mixture of >> cells containing different chromosomes or different recombination of genes. >> >> A side note of possible interest: Last spring Doug Fell found one small >> 8 inch branch on his early Golden with male flowers, the 1st he had ever >> seen. The 1st one that I have seen in maybe 5 years. Doug cut it from >> the tree and I made 4 Greenwood grafts of that piece and 3 were >> successful. When they flower will they produce staminate flowers? That >> remains to be seen but Mr. Claypool reported that when he and Prof. JC >> McDaniel grafted limbs producing male flowers they reverted to producing >> pistillate flowers. And yes when male flowers are produced on pistillate >> trees they are single branches that I believe are sport limbs. >> >> Jerry Lehman >> >> >> On 9/20/2015 9:15 PM, Louis Pittman wrote: >> >> I'm 'supposed' to be in 60-chromosome land, too... supposedly, the Ohio >> River is the 'dividing line' between 90-C and 60-C, and I'm over 100 miles >> south of the Ohio. All my 90-C females have produced mostly seeded fruit, >> for years... some less seedy than others, and occasionally some seedless >> fruit. >> Yes, I have Garretson and Early Golden and some of the Claypools, so maybe >> they're pushing male flowers, but I was getting seeded fruits when all I >> had were a couple of non-EG heritage females. >> >> Lucky >> >> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Elizabeth wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> I previously posted in 2014 that I was perplexed why my 'Yates' persimmon >>> contained seeds for the first time since I planted it. The tree has been >>> bearing for about 4 years total. I live in an area with only 60 chromosome >>> natives. There are no other 90 chromosome trees nearby (to my knowledge) >>> except in my orchard. In 2014 these consisted of 3 selected varieties of >>> grafted female kakis, 2 of which were old enough to bloom, and the Yates. >>> >>> Last year each Yates fruit contained 5 - 6 fully formed seeds. This year, >>> they contain an average of about 1 seed per fruit. Most fruits are >>> seedless, some have had up to 3 seeds per fruit. >>> >>> What has changed: I performed winter pruning this spring so it is possible >>> that I pruned off a branch on a tree that had previously produced male >>> flowers. I lost my Wase Fuyu during our unusually cold winter so it did not >>> produce flowers this spring. The third kaki produced blooms for the first >>> time in 2015. >>> >>> What I discovered: I evaluated each surviving persimmon tree for male >>> flowers this spring. I detected none. Although I was looking for sports, so >>> if I saw a branch covered with female flowers, I did not examine each >>> flower on the branch, it is possible that I missed individual male flowers >>> (if that occurs). >>> >>> I propagated every seed from the 2014 Yates crop. I guess I will find out >>> what the 2014 pollinizer was in 8 years or so! >>> >>> Betsy Hilborn >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of nafex Digest, Vol 155, Issue 1 >> ************************************* > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 11:40:38 2015 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:40:38 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Yates persimmon update In-Reply-To: <55FEFF4A.3040702@mebtel.net> References: <5F2AE66BB12B4D3B8237C87BCD150114@JohnPC> <50164f10a837b8f91926dc303dc4c7d6@becon.org> <55FEFF4A.3040702@mebtel.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Elizabeth wrote: > I previously posted in 2014 that I was perplexed why my 'Yates' persimmon > contained seeds for the first time since I planted it. The tree has been > bearing for about 4 years total. I live in an area with only 60 chromosome > natives. There are no other 90 chromosome trees nearby (to my knowledge) > except in my orchard. Betsey: FWIW you might want to contact Walter Atwater on Collins Road, in your extended neighborhood. He has two persimmon trees that are very old, large caliper - 12" at least, literally dripping with large ripening persimmons with good orange coloration. I found a single ripe one that had at least five seeds and good flavor. A storm broke out the largest top branches years ago otherwise it would be very tall and a bearer record breaker. Fruit are very round with consistent large size. I can't remember ever seeing a local wild persimmon tree of this quality. Walter would probably be willing to have you visit to see the trees, gather some fruit for seeds or take cuttings. The soil on this land is average but has good water holding capacity. The trees are growing on a slight eastward slope with good sun exposure. LL -- Lawrence F. London lfljvenaura at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/ From lpittman at murraystate.edu Mon Sep 21 12:35:25 2015 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Dr. Lucky Pittman) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:35:25 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Was: Yates persimmon; now SFES Message-ID: <006801d0f48b$84a43590$8deca0b0$@murraystate.edu> Jerry, You mentioned 'SFES'... it's a selection that I've sent to you in the past, wondering if it might be polygamodioecious male... but you and I both have determined that it probably is not. The ortet is a chance seedling from Christian Co., KY, growing in a roadside fenceline along KY 91, directly across the road from Sinking Fork Elementary School (hence the SFES moniker). Most years, it produces about 80% small (1") seedless fruits, and about 20% larger (1.5") fruits, containing a single, plump, well-filled seed. Lucky -----Original Message----- From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Lehman Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:30 AM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Yates persimmon Hi Jackie, You certainly have my permission and maybe I should expand upon the explanation. I'm sure that Lucky and Betsy fully understand but it may be a little too technical for newer, less experienced persimmon readers. When I wrote that the thought went through my mind of writing a longer article for Pomona and the Indiana nut and fruit growers and anyone else who might wish to publish. But you can certainly let it go the way it is if you wish. Right now I'm very busy as last Friday we shipped almost 700 pounds to the processor and yesterday the pickers picked another 400 pounds. I also have 3 small orders for pawpaw to ship today. I need to write a report for the winter issue once harvest is over. I've not written a report as the persimmon chair in several years. Please remind me later on. Jerry On 9/21/2015 9:31 AM, Jacquelyn Kuehn wrote: > My friends, you?ve written an article?s worth of valuable information. May I reprint this exchange in a Pomona? > > Thanks so much. > > Jackie > > > Jacquelyn Kuehn > > pennsacreskitchen.net > >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:41 AM, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: >> >> Send nafex mailing list submissions to >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Yates persimmon update (Jerry Lehman) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:35:28 -0400 >> From: Jerry Lehman >> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> >> Subject: Re: [nafex] Yates persimmon update >> Message-ID: <55FFEB80.5000902 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Good Morning Lucky and Betsy, >> >> There is no hard dividing line between the range of 60 and 90 >> chromosome race of persimmon. I feel sure that North of the Ohio >> River you will find some sixties and South you will find some >> nineties. And we are finding that many of the 90 chromosome >> persimmons will set seedless fruit without a 90 C pollinator. Also >> some varieties of the 90 C will set some seedless fruit when there is ample 90 C pollen available. >> Mohler seedless is an example of a variety setting many seedless >> fruits in the presence of ample pollination. The Meader persimmon >> with 90 C pollen available will set fully seeded fruit, with only 60 >> C pollen available will set seedless fruit and if the flowers are >> bagged preventing pollen from any plant reaching the pistols will not >> set fruit at all. When this was discovered Prof. Meader questioned if >> chestnut pollen could possibly be triggering the parthenocarpic >> characteristic of the Meader persimmon because in his area his >> chestnut catkins dehist pollen at the same time. I have 4 named >> pistillate varieties of 60 C persimmon here with no 60 C males >> nearby. Three of the 4 drop may be 90% of the fruit without ripening while the 4th, Cliff England's "SFES" >> variety matures fruit with empty seed cases and occasionally a seed >> without fully developed cotyledon flesh. Confusing? Oh, and >> hybridizing the 60 C and 90 C theoretically is not possible because >> 15 chromosomes remain unpaired. >> >> Betsy, I believe the answer to your question regarding the Yates/Juhl >> variety is the 1st 3 years no 90 chromosome pollen reached the tree >> so it was seedless. The 4th year there was ample pollen available and >> it basically set seeded fruit. The persimmon flower consists of 4 >> stigma and style with 2 eggs at the base of each style providing for >> a possible fully seeded fruit with 8 seeds and one pollen grain is >> required for each seed. Therefore theoretically the number of seeds >> is heavily dependent upon the amount of pollen that reaches the >> flower which can vary year to year depending on weather conditions. >> >> Early Golden will occasionally bear male flowers. I emphasize >> occasionally. Mr. Claypool used to refer to them as the rare male >> flower. I have early Golden, Killen, and Garretson, all 3 here, and >> only once have ever seen male flowers on my Killen, never on early >> Golden nor Garretson. But I confess I have not eagerly sought male >> flowers every year. Back in the early nineties while Claypool was >> still actively breeding using what I call female pollen I went over >> to observe and learn his techniques. In one Killen tree was one >> current year growth branch and one current year growth branch on >> early Golden with male flowers and these were on trees that he was >> using ladders to get up to the branches maybe 15 feet in the air. And >> these were the sum total of sport branches on 2 very mature trees. In >> spite of some reports there is nowhere near enough male flowers to >> pollinate a tree. Therefore I do not believe that your pruning was >> the cause for sudden setting of nearly seedless fruit. My thought is, >> some conditions such as whether reduced the amount of pollen >> available to the flowers, reducing the seed count from 6 to 1. >> >> When Mr. Claypool found a sport bearing staminate flowers he would >> tie a ribbon to it, marking it. The following year when that sport >> would produce additional branches he would watch and if a branched >> produce pistillate flowers he would cut that branch off. His attempts >> to produce limbs bearing only male flowers naturally failed. He did >> have some small branchlets with maybe 3 years growth producing only >> male flowers but it was achieved by pruning not by natural selection. >> In other words the sport that produced male flowers in 2nd year's >> growth would revert back to pistillate flowers. They acted like a >> chimera, that is a mixture of cells containing different chromosomes or different recombination of genes. >> >> A side note of possible interest: Last spring Doug Fell found one >> small >> 8 inch branch on his early Golden with male flowers, the 1st he had >> ever seen. The 1st one that I have seen in maybe 5 years. Doug cut it >> from the tree and I made 4 Greenwood grafts of that piece and 3 were >> successful. When they flower will they produce staminate flowers? >> That remains to be seen but Mr. Claypool reported that when he and >> Prof. JC McDaniel grafted limbs producing male flowers they reverted >> to producing pistillate flowers. And yes when male flowers are >> produced on pistillate trees they are single branches that I believe are sport limbs. >> >> Jerry Lehman >> >> >> On 9/20/2015 9:15 PM, Louis Pittman wrote: >> >> I'm 'supposed' to be in 60-chromosome land, too... supposedly, the >> Ohio River is the 'dividing line' between 90-C and 60-C, and I'm >> over 100 miles south of the Ohio. All my 90-C females have produced >> mostly seeded fruit, for years... some less seedy than others, and >> occasionally some seedless fruit. >> Yes, I have Garretson and Early Golden and some of the Claypools, so >> maybe they're pushing male flowers, but I was getting seeded fruits >> when all I had were a couple of non-EG heritage females. >> >> Lucky >> >> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Elizabeth wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> I previously posted in 2014 that I was perplexed why my 'Yates' >>> persimmon contained seeds for the first time since I planted it. The >>> tree has been bearing for about 4 years total. I live in an area >>> with only 60 chromosome natives. There are no other 90 chromosome >>> trees nearby (to my knowledge) except in my orchard. In 2014 these >>> consisted of 3 selected varieties of grafted female kakis, 2 of which were old enough to bloom, and the Yates. >>> >>> Last year each Yates fruit contained 5 - 6 fully formed seeds. This >>> year, they contain an average of about 1 seed per fruit. Most fruits >>> are seedless, some have had up to 3 seeds per fruit. >>> >>> What has changed: I performed winter pruning this spring so it is >>> possible that I pruned off a branch on a tree that had previously >>> produced male flowers. I lost my Wase Fuyu during our unusually cold >>> winter so it did not produce flowers this spring. The third kaki >>> produced blooms for the first time in 2015. >>> >>> What I discovered: I evaluated each surviving persimmon tree for >>> male flowers this spring. I detected none. Although I was looking >>> for sports, so if I saw a branch covered with female flowers, I did >>> not examine each flower on the branch, it is possible that I missed >>> individual male flowers (if that occurs). >>> >>> I propagated every seed from the 2014 Yates crop. I guess I will >>> find out what the 2014 pollinizer was in 8 years or so! >>> >>> Betsy Hilborn >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user >> config|list info: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of nafex Digest, Vol 155, Issue 1 >> ************************************* > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Tue Sep 22 14:26:45 2015 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 18:26:45 +0000 Subject: [nafex] New Mexico State Univ. to host workshop, fruit tasting of jujubes at Alcalde Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057B77A5@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> NMSU to host workshop, fruit tasting of Chinese dates at Alcalde New Mexico State University NewsCenter ALCALDE - There's another bumper crop of Chinese dates on the jujube trees at New Mexico State University's Sustainable Agriculture Science ... From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Wed Sep 23 13:32:10 2015 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:32:10 +0000 Subject: [nafex] A refreshing jujube salad for the September heat wave Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4057B79F8@055-CH1MPN1-031.055d.mgd.msft.net> A refreshing jujube salad for the September heat wave Alhambra (California) Source Toss melon and jujube together and include any juices that have collected at the bottom of their bowls. Arrange in a nice pile over yogurt. Sprinkle lime ...