From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 10:48:21 2014 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:48:21 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Biointensive gardening information and tool sourcelist | post to Ello | ecoponderosa Message-ID: Biointensive gardening information and tool sourcelist | post to Ello | ecoponderosa https://ello.co/ecoponderosa My website Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com avantgeard at gmail.com lfljvenaura at gmail.com lfljcell at gmail.com (email-smartphone interface) AG Tools lifetime hand tools for home, shop, farm, garden, travel and trekking Avant: culturally or stylistically advanced Geared: one outfitted with proper gear My Ello page https://ello.co/ecoponderosa My garden tool collection useful tools for gardeners https://plus.google.com/b/116100117925365792988/photos/+Avantgeared/albums/5706561605935598161 More pictures: https://picasaweb.google.com/103223907782626104592/GardenTools# Avant Geared Google+ page https://plus.google.com/+Avantgeared Avant Geared Group Discussion Forum http://groups.google.com/group/avant-geared Garden and Farm Handtool Sourcelist & Biointensive Gardening Guide Saturday, December 17, 2011 Revision http://www.avantgeared.com/garden-and-farm-handtool-sourcelist-biointensive-gardening-guide Gardening Hand Tool Sourcelist (mirror site) http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/gardening-hand-tools.faq Biointensive Gardening Guide and Farm & Garden Hand Tool Sourcelist Permanent Minimum-Till Biointensive Double-Dug Raised Bed Garden Preparation and Handtool Information & Sourcelist (work-in-progress - updated frequently) [update: agriculture, permaculture, gardening & biodynamics bibliography added (from books available through Amazon.com). - see following, near end of document: A brief update for those needing quick access to tool sources; most of this information is repeated further on in the document. Over time, your most often used garden tools will likely be: Austrian scythe, hand sickles and machetes (different types from all over the world), broadfork, hand trowels and weeder/cultivators including Japanese, Korean and other Asian versions, various eye hoes (Germany, Austria, Japan, Portugal, Spain, Central America), English-style D-handled digging and garden spades, spade forks and digging forks, long handled sharp and flat point shovels, seeding rakes (Dutch or German) of varying width and number and length of tines, forged steel heavy garden rakes, pitchfork, compost fork, manure forks or potato hoes of varying widths (make an excellent one of these by bending the tines on a pitchfork, indispensable for removing cut weeds from garden beds). This document lists most mail order sources for these tools though many have come online in the past five years which I need to add to this sourcelist. Don't forget to fabricate some yourself in your shop or contract with local craftsmen (woodworkers, blacksmiths, welders, machinists). Garden Tools https://picasaweb.google.com/103223907782626104592/GardenTools# The weed/manure rake/hoe/fork made out of a pitchfork can be seen, first tool on the left, in this series of photographs, starting here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103223907782626104592/GardenTools#5472487141395137746 and ending here: https://picasaweb.google.com/dirt.4arm/GardenTools#5472487290264965282 Here are new resources for serious tool enthusiasts and tool makers: [the rest of the document follows with much information] http://www.avantgeared.com/garden-and-farm-handtool-sourcelist-biointensive-gardening-guide From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 13:16:14 2014 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 13:16:14 -0400 Subject: [nafex] NAFEX on Facebook In-Reply-To: References: <54209FE6.8070100@att.net> <99613F4A-F937-4D85-A88C-B42044236A98@ginda.us> <20140923205033.GA24300@arcanum.localdomain.local> Message-ID: I reverse my position on Ello; it is very good like the early Internet was, spartan but what needs to work well, does. It will never offer competition for this list or NAFEX's web forum but if it adds networking for people with common interests like Reddit does, that will be a very good thing. I have signed up for an account and hope to make good use of it; will see how it develops. Thanks to Meikal for the Ello news and invite. ecoponderosa https://ello.co/ecoponderosa On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Lawrence London wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Andre Pierre wrote: > >> Sites like Facebook and Google are not *just* convenient tools. They are >> big corporations that often (usually?) have questionable patterns of >> behavior. >> To use them, and to actively encourage others to use them, is to endorse >> such behaviors, or at best to turn a blind eye to them. >> >> For Facebook the list is pretty extensive and in my view damning: >> https://stallman.org/facebook.html. >> > More on that: LocalOrg http://localorg.blogspot.com/ *September 26, 2014* (Tony Cartalucci - LocalOrg) - Ello, a social network alternative to Facebook is expanding its user base immensely, even as it remains in beta testing. Market watchers and tech trend analysts attribute the influx of users indicative of Facebook's waning popularity due to its invasive, profit-driven, monopolistic, and downright creepy conduct. Facebook's incremental, manipulative policy and terms of use have been described as everything from a greedy business practice, to a government sanctioned means of mass manipulation and soft censorship . It was inevitable that start-ups and activists would seek to offer Facebook users an alternative that allowed social media to be used as a tool of empowerment, not insidious manipulation and censorship. Ello appears to be tapping into that with its manifesto which states: *Your social network is owned by advertisers.* *Every post you share, every friend you make and every link you follow is tracked, recorded and converted into data. Advertisers buy your data so they can show you more ads. You are the product that?s bought and sold.* *We believe there is a better way. We believe in audacity. We believe in beauty, simplicity and transparency. We believe that the people who make things and the people who use them should be in partnership.* *We believe a social network can be a tool for empowerment. Not a tool to deceive, coerce and manipulate ? but a place to connect, create and celebrate life.* *You are not a product.* In theory, not only does Ello's manifesto sound ideal, it is likely to attract a multitude of disillusioned Facebook users fed up with the big-tech's monopoly, but who have stayed aboard for a lack of a better alternative. Market Watch in an article titled, "Facebook killer called Ello gets the timing righ t," reported: *There has been a lot of chatter on social media this week about a new social network called Ello, which is getting buzz for its anti-Facebook Inc. stance. But is the start-up, which accepts no advertising and does no data mining, ready for prime time?* *Ello has apparently been gaining such a huge influx of new users that its servers were having problems in the past two days, despite the requirement that you need an invitation to join.* Market Watch notes that Ello's popularity is due more to Facebook's shortcomings than Ello's superior performance - Ello which is admittedly still in beta testing and with features still being incrementally added. *Out of the Frying Pan Into the Fire? * Migrating from Facebook to an alternative social network is tempting, but careful research must be done to ensure that these alternatives are true in their purpose and not simply the next "Facebook" repainted and refitted to be even more invasive and insidious. The appearance of Ello and its astonishingly expanding user base does illustrate one important point - no matter how many "Facebooks" the establishment tries to create, there will be a demand for legitimate and transparent alternatives that serve users rather than manipulate and constrain them. Whatever Ello ends up becoming, activists across the tech community should be ever vigilant, scrutinizing these networks for abuse, and prepared to meet demands if and when alternatives like Ello fail in their mission statements. Demanding privacy, transparency, and honesty from corporations like Facebook and the special interests they represent is like demanding decency from a common criminal - futile. Instead, measures must be taken, independent of the criminal or criminal enterprise's actions, that will protect individuals and society from their malevolence. Creating a multitude of alternatives and taking ownership over the technology and infrastructure our society depends on by creating local, independent alternatives whittles away at not only the insidious means the establishment wields against us, but undermines the vast resources the establishment has access to in order to create such means in the first place. *Follow LandDestroyer on Twitter @LandDestroyer or LocalOrg at @LocalOrgInfo. * -- Lawrence F. London lfljvenaura at gmail.com http://www.avantgeared.com https://plus.google.com/+Avantgeared https://ello.co/ecoponderosa From naomi at oznayim.us Tue Oct 7 22:57:04 2014 From: naomi at oznayim.us (Naomi Counides) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:57:04 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Cloudberry Message-ID: <053601cfe2a3$8becc3d0$a3c64b70$@oznayim.us> I have a friend looking for Cloudberry starts or seed. Anyone know of a US source? Naomi From pete_tallman at hotmail.com Thu Oct 9 13:20:07 2014 From: pete_tallman at hotmail.com (Pete Tallman) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:20:07 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry available Message-ID: Pleased to announce that my Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry is now available for ordering from Nourse Farms online catalog for spring 2015 planting.?See?http://noursefarms.com/raspberry-plants/niwot/ Pete Tallman Longmont, CO From ehilborn at mebtel.net Thu Oct 9 20:18:20 2014 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (Elizabeth Hilborn) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:18:20 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543725CC.5000106@mebtel.net> Congratulations Pete! On 10/9/2014 1:20 PM, Pete Tallman wrote: > Pleased to announce that my Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry is now available for ordering from Nourse Farms online catalog for spring 2015 planting. See http://noursefarms.com/raspberry-plants/niwot/ > > Pete Tallman > Longmont, CO > From dvidedevo at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 00:06:01 2014 From: dvidedevo at yahoo.com (Devin Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 21:06:01 -0700 Subject: [nafex] GRIN germplasm Message-ID: <1412913961.67196.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Might any of you have tips about ordering germplasm from GRIN? I'd like to order germplasm but am a little bit unsure what to say when it comes to my research purposes. I'd like to think that what I am doing is something larger than gardening. I am doing some rudimentary breeding and evaluating all sorts of different crops for suitability to my climate and to growing in polyculture. But I am not really using the scientific method as such, nor am I in business. How well must I make my case for recieving germplasm? From qazingulaza at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 08:16:51 2014 From: qazingulaza at gmail.com (mIEKAL aND) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:16:51 -0500 Subject: [nafex] GRIN germplasm In-Reply-To: <1412913961.67196.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1412913961.67196.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been getting material from GRIN for years and years. I usually explain in a few sentences the trial that I'm doing and that I'm independent and looking to find cultivars that are best suited for the area I live in. I've never gotten any push back or response, tho a couple times when I explained the particular result I was looking for, the person who packed my order included other material that they thought would work well for me. An amazing resource, tho a few things like dormant hardy kiwi cuttings and fall leaf stems of elderberries failed for me since I don't have any mist propagation set up. ~mIEKAL On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Devin Smith via nafex wrote: > Might any of you have tips about ordering germplasm from GRIN? I'd like to order germplasm but am a little bit unsure what to say when it comes to my research purposes. I'd like to think that what I am doing is something larger than gardening. I am doing some rudimentary breeding and evaluating all sorts of different crops for suitability to my climate and to growing in polyculture. But I am not really using the scientific method as such, nor am I in business. How well must I make my case for recieving germplasm? > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From qazingulaza at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 08:18:14 2014 From: qazingulaza at gmail.com (mIEKAL aND) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:18:14 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry available In-Reply-To: <543725CC.5000106@mebtel.net> References: <543725CC.5000106@mebtel.net> Message-ID: Is this your first commercial release, Pete? How long does it take to create a raspberry cultivar? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote: > Congratulations Pete! > > > On 10/9/2014 1:20 PM, Pete Tallman wrote: >> >> Pleased to announce that my Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry is >> now available for ordering from Nourse Farms online catalog for spring 2015 >> planting. See http://noursefarms.com/raspberry-plants/niwot/ >> >> Pete Tallman >> Longmont, CO >> > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From pete_tallman at hotmail.com Fri Oct 10 11:03:59 2014 From: pete_tallman at hotmail.com (Pete Tallman) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:03:59 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry available Message-ID: In answer to mIEKAL aND: ?I discovered the black raspberry plant exhibiting the fall-bearing trait in October 1986. Explorer was the first attempted release, selected in 2002, but it failed in 2008 during trials because it was found to be not self-fruitful. Niwot , selected in 2006, was the second attempted release and first to go commercial. Pete Tallman Longmont, CO ? zone 5 or so? From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Fri Oct 10 11:14:52 2014 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:14:52 +0000 Subject: [nafex] GRIN germplasm In-Reply-To: <1412913961.67196.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1412913961.67196.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E4053375BB@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> Devon, my experience has been that the repositories are very good about filling requests for germplasm, even if you conducting the kind of noncommercial breeding you are doing. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. (USDA Zone 4a) -----Original Message----- From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Smith via nafex Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:06 PM To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [nafex] GRIN germplasm Might any of you have tips about ordering germplasm from GRIN? I'd like to order germplasm but am a little bit unsure what to say when it comes to my research purposes. I'd like to think that what I am doing is something larger than gardening. I am doing some rudimentary breeding and evaluating all sorts of different crops for suitability to my climate and to growing in polyculture. But I am not really using the scientific method as such, nor am I in business. How well must I make my case for recieving germplasm? __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Fri Oct 10 12:52:22 2014 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:52:22 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Meet 'The Fruit Hunters' (Idaho Mountain Express and Guide) Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405338703@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> Meet 'The Fruit Hunters' (Idaho Mountain Express and Guide) The documentary film "The Fruit Hunters," to be screened Thursday, Oct. 9, at Magic Lantern Cinemas in Ketchum, opens a world of fruit unknown to ... (this story is at http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007153993 '' From 12986nafex at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 00:51:01 2014 From: 12986nafex at gmail.com (Steve Wilson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 00:51:01 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Meet 'The Fruit Hunters' (Idaho Mountain Express and Guide) In-Reply-To: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405338703@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> References: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E405338703@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> Message-ID: <5438B735.4050308@gmail.com> Also available on you tube, if Idaho is a bit too far to commute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qnpjt5KzYQ On 10/10/2014 12:52 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA) wrote: > Meet 'The Fruit Hunters' (Idaho Mountain Express and Guide) The documentary film "The Fruit Hunters," to be screened Thursday, Oct. 9, at Magic Lantern Cinemas in Ketchum, opens a world of fruit unknown to ... (this story is at http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007153993 '' > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From orders at cuttsreviews.com Mon Oct 13 15:44:28 2014 From: orders at cuttsreviews.com (Jay Cutts) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:44:28 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543C2B9C.80307@cuttsreviews.com> Pete, thanks for your recent response to my inquiry about why my raspberries tend to die out after several years at 7000 feet in NM. You mentioned that they don't like wet feet. My soil is pretty heavy clay without a lot of organic matter. I'm thinking of adding lots of compost etc but also wondering if it would help to work in some sand for drainage and aeration. What do you think? And how deep should I amend the soil for raspberry roots? Would it help to put a 3 or 4 inch layer of gravel UNDER the root zone and then put the soil mix (with sand) above the gravel? Thanks. Regards, Jay Jay Cutts Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book (2013) (505)-281-0684 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days On 10/9/2014 11:20 AM, Pete Tallman wrote: > Pleased to announce that my Niwot primocane-fruiting black raspberry is now available for ordering from Nourse Farms online catalog for spring 2015 planting. See http://noursefarms.com/raspberry-plants/niwot/ > > Pete Tallman > Longmont, CO > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > > From pete_tallman at hotmail.com Tue Oct 14 11:38:46 2014 From: pete_tallman at hotmail.com (Pete Tallman) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:38:46 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Preparing clay soil for raspberries Message-ID: Responding to the note from Jay Cutts about raspberries in heavy clay soil: I was told a long time ago that adding sand to the clay soil was akin to making concrete or bricks, probably not the way to go. I will go through my process for creating soil in my area of Colorado, which might give you some ideas. Soil was pretty heavy clay. What I needed is lots of organic matter. I rototilled the row to be planted, in my case about 3 ft by 30 ft, planning for two rows of plants. Once that rototilling was done, dug out the loose tilled stuff and set it to the side of the row. Then I rototilled the bottom of the trench. To this, I added lots of peat moss (maybe 4 to 8 cu ft for the row), 1/2 yard or more of prepared compost mix, and some soil sulfur and triple superphosphate according to package directions. Rototilled all of that to mix in at the bottom of the trench. Restored the earlier loose stuff back to the row and rototilled again to mix the top layer into the prepared layer. I think of it as planting in a 3 ft by 30 ft clay flower pot. ? Pete Tallman Longmont, CO ?zone 5 or so From orders at cuttsreviews.com Tue Oct 14 12:39:33 2014 From: orders at cuttsreviews.com (Jay Cutts) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:39:33 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Preparing clay soil for raspberries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543D51C5.7000404@cuttsreviews.com> Thanks, Pete. How far down would you say raspberry roots go? Regards, Jay Jay Cutts Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book (2013) (505)-281-0684 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days On 10/14/2014 9:38 AM, Pete Tallman wrote: > Responding to the note from Jay Cutts about raspberries in heavy clay soil: I was told a long time ago that adding sand to the clay soil was akin to making concrete or bricks, probably not the way to go. I will go through my process for creating soil in my area of Colorado, which might give you some ideas. Soil was pretty heavy clay. What I needed is lots of organic matter. I rototilled the row to be planted, in my case about 3 ft by 30 ft, planning for two rows of plants. Once that rototilling was done, dug out the loose tilled stuff and set it to the side of the row. Then I rototilled the bottom of the trench. To this, I added lots of peat moss (maybe 4 to 8 cu ft for the row), 1/2 yard or more of prepared compost mix, and some soil sulfur and triple superphosphate according to package directions. Rototilled all of that to mix in at the bottom of the trench. Restored the earlier loose stuff back to the row and rototilled again to mix the top layer into the prepared layer. I think of it as planting in a 3 ft by 30 ft clay flower pot. > > Pete Tallman > Longmont, CO zone 5 or so > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > > From goatdoc at ctitech.com Tue Oct 14 16:13:07 2014 From: goatdoc at ctitech.com (R. Keith Etheridge) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:13:07 -0500 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid Message-ID: <4CF40AA45DA24C1CBECC2EE87234F96B@keith2> Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I was a veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion of the miners were Italian immigrants. One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian walnut in her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts with me. When they germinated they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I planted. I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years later that produces a pear shape husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the mill.Not dry enough to evaluate. I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was terminated due to lack of success. Keith From dvidedevo at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 19:59:25 2014 From: dvidedevo at yahoo.com (Devin Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:59:25 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Preparing clay soil for raspberries Message-ID: <1413331165.89871.YahooMailNeo@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Jay-- the gravel/sand idea sounds like an engineering paradigm applied to what is properly the domain of biology. I don't have experience with true clay soil as such, but the silt loam on my site is quite heavy and easily compacted. I'd concur on organic matter, though I'd tend to apply much of it to the surface rather than till it in. If you are going to till, possible supplements you might consider include porous aggregate (vermiculite is good), charcoal, and gypsum (you didn't mention your pH) as it aggregates clay particles creating good tilth. No matter what, I would top it off with a nice heavy mulch of whatever is available. I'm fond of a layer of leaves and grass clippings covered with 4" or o of wood chips. Get the biology going and let it do the heavy lifting. I have several rows of raspberries growing in 4-6" of soil over ledge and they produce well after being mulched heavily. From orders at cuttsreviews.com Tue Oct 14 20:16:14 2014 From: orders at cuttsreviews.com (Jay Cutts) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:16:14 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Preparing clay soil for raspberries In-Reply-To: <1413331165.89871.YahooMailNeo@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1413331165.89871.YahooMailNeo@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543DBCCE.9050306@cuttsreviews.com> Thanks, folks, for the info on amending soil for raspberries. One concern is that Pete mentioned that they don't like wet feet. Around here, we have to have everything on irrigation or plants can dry up and die quickly. As a result, there is a tendency for plants to get overwatered, because underwatering can be fatal. So I'm worried that even with all the organic matter mixed in, the soil will stay too wet. Maybe vermiculite would be a good option. Guess I can try to keep an eye on the amount of irrigation to keep it safe but at a minimum. Ideas? Regards, Jay Jay Cutts Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews Lead Author, Barron's MCAT Prep Book Lead Author, Barron's LSAT Prep Book (2013) (505)-281-0684 10 am to 10 pm Mt Time, 7 days On 10/14/2014 5:59 PM, Devin Smith via nafex wrote: > Jay-- > > the gravel/sand idea sounds like an engineering paradigm applied to what is properly the domain of biology. I don't have experience with true clay soil as such, but the silt loam on my site is quite heavy and easily compacted. I'd concur on organic matter, though I'd tend to apply much of it to the surface rather than till it in. If you are going to till, possible supplements you might consider include porous aggregate (vermiculite is good), charcoal, and gypsum (you didn't mention your pH) as it aggregates clay particles creating good tilth. No matter what, I would top it off with a nice heavy mulch of whatever is available. I'm fond of a layer of leaves and grass clippings covered with 4" or o of wood chips. Get the biology going and let it do the heavy lifting. I have several rows of raspberries growing in 4-6" of soil over ledge and they produce well after being mulched heavily. > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > From Jwlehman at aol.com Tue Oct 14 20:21:24 2014 From: Jwlehman at aol.com (Jwlehman at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:21:24 -0400 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid Message-ID: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> Hi Keith, Can you supply pictures? Jerry In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I was a veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion of the miners were Italian immigrants. One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian walnut in her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts with me. When they germinated they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I planted. I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years later that produces a pear shape husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the mill.Not dry enough to evaluate. I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was terminated due to lack of success. Keith __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From sherwindu at att.net Wed Oct 15 20:28:42 2014 From: sherwindu at att.net (sherwin) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:28:42 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Prospects for tree survival Message-ID: <543F113A.7060003@att.net> Three of our apple trees in our small backyard orchard were damaged this year, probably by winter weather. One of them lost all it's lateral branches and another about half. What is now appearing is new growth above the graft that resembles water sprouts, but these are coming out of what remains of the main trunk and not any lateral branches. My understanding is that water sprouts coming out of lateral branches do not produce any fruit. Can the same be said about this growth coming off the main trunk? I am hoping this new growth can eventually turn into a revived tree. It is strange that what appears to be total destruction can recover. Sherwin Dubren Morton Grove, IL From goatdoc at ctitech.com Wed Oct 15 22:06:02 2014 From: goatdoc at ctitech.com (R. Keith Etheridge) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:06:02 -0500 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid In-Reply-To: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Jerry After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick light fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other trees in the area I planted the hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them. Thanks Keith -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid Hi Keith, Can you supply pictures? Jerry In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I was a veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion of the miners were Italian immigrants. One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian walnut in her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts with me. When they germinated they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I planted. I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years later that produces a pear shape husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the mill.Not dry enough to evaluate. I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was terminated due to lack of success. Keith __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From lpittman at murraystate.edu Thu Oct 16 14:48:05 2014 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Dr. Lucky Pittman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:48:05 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Puffball mushrooms Message-ID: <009f01cfe971$b97e9290$2c7bb7b0$@murraystate.edu> Hey, it?s a fruit of sorts fruiting body of the fungus. Anyway, just hit the jackpot today on my noon walk ? got a bunch of large egg-size puffballs I started watching earlier in the week, and a couple of softball to volleyball sized ?shrooms. More than the wife and I will want to eat in one or two meals; would like to ?save? some for the daughter who?ll be visiting in a week or two. Have previously saut?ed slices and frozen them for later re-heating and consumption; they?re OK that way, but not nearly so nice as fresh from the yard/pasture. Googling for info suggests that just freezing uncooked slices doesn?t yield very good results but I wondered if I just took ?em right out of the freezer and plopped ?em in the frying pan, still frozen, to sautee, or lightly breaded them and deep-fried them would that work? Anybody tried freezing puffball slices without cooking before hand? Lucky Pittman From BradyK at health.missouri.edu Fri Oct 17 14:06:18 2014 From: BradyK at health.missouri.edu (Brady, Kathy) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:06:18 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Puffball mushrooms In-Reply-To: <009f01cfe971$b97e9290$2c7bb7b0$@murraystate.edu> References: <009f01cfe971$b97e9290$2c7bb7b0$@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3F4DDC546F40964A8542FF02C1BAF3FD974B1969@UM-MBX-T01.um.umsystem.edu> Have you tried dehydration? Kathy ________________________________________ From: nafex [nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Dr. Lucky Pittman [lpittman at murraystate.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:48 PM To: nafex Subject: [nafex] Puffball mushrooms Hey, it?s a fruit?of sorts?fruiting body of the fungus. Anyway, just hit the jackpot today on my noon walk ? got a bunch of large egg-size puffballs I started watching earlier in the week, and a couple of softball to volleyball sized ?shrooms. More than the wife and I will want to eat in one or two meals; would like to ?save? some for the daughter who?ll be visiting in a week or two. Have previously saut?ed slices and frozen them for later re-heating and consumption; they?re OK that way, but not nearly so nice as fresh from the yard/pasture. Googling for info suggests that just freezing uncooked slices doesn?t yield very good results?but I wondered? if I just took ?em right out of the freezer and plopped ?em in the frying pan, still frozen, to sautee, or lightly breaded them and deep-fried them? would that work? Anybody tried freezing puffball slices without cooking before hand? Lucky Pittman __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From littlejohn at moonwiseherbs.com Fri Oct 17 16:57:07 2014 From: littlejohn at moonwiseherbs.com (Little John) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:57:07 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Puffball mushrooms In-Reply-To: <009f01cfe971$b97e9290$2c7bb7b0$@murraystate.edu> References: <009f01cfe971$b97e9290$2c7bb7b0$@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: We marinade them and then freeze. They make great shroom burgers. Little John Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:48 PM, "Dr. Lucky Pittman" wrote: > > Hey, it?s a fruit?of sorts?fruiting body of the fungus. > > > > Anyway, just hit the jackpot today on my noon walk ? got a bunch of large > egg-size puffballs I started watching earlier in the week, and a couple of > softball to volleyball sized ?shrooms. > > More than the wife and I will want to eat in one or two meals; would like to > ?save? some for the daughter who?ll be visiting in a week or two. > > Have previously saut?ed slices and frozen them for later re-heating and > consumption; they?re OK that way, but not nearly so nice as fresh from the > yard/pasture. > > Googling for info suggests that just freezing uncooked slices doesn?t yield > very good results?but I wondered? if I just took ?em right out of the > freezer and plopped ?em in the frying pan, still frozen, to sautee, or > lightly breaded them and deep-fried them? would that work? > > Anybody tried freezing puffball slices without cooking before hand? > > > > Lucky Pittman > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From Jwlehman at aol.com Sat Oct 18 08:35:22 2014 From: Jwlehman at aol.com (Jwlehman at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:35:22 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Prospects for tree survival Message-ID: <79c62.4a58601d.4173b88a@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2014 2:16:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sherwindu at att.net writes: Three of our apple trees in our small backyard orchard were damaged this year, probably by winter weather. One of them lost all it's lateral branches and another about half. What is now appearing is new growth above the graft that resembles water sprouts, but these are coming out of what remains of the main trunk and not any lateral branches. My understanding is that water sprouts coming out of lateral branches do not produce any fruit. Can the same be said about this growth coming off the main trunk? I am hoping this new growth can eventually turn into a revived tree. It is strange that what appears to be total destruction can recover. It isn't as much they are "water sprouts" as much as they are vertical. In Malus vertical limbs bear few fruit, but there are exceptions. Vertical limbs can be forced horizontal and then should bear more fruit. Without seeing the tree my suggestion is next spring prune those new growth vertical limbs to one, it should become a central leader and develop horizantal limbs which should then bear fruit. My guess is you are three years from fruiting again. From Jwlehman at aol.com Sat Oct 18 10:48:18 2014 From: Jwlehman at aol.com (Jwlehman at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:48:18 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Hybrid walnut Message-ID: <7c46a.87068d8.4173d7b2@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2014 2:01:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick light fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other trees in the area I planted the hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them. Hi Keith, I have a Ken Dooley black x carpathian hybrid here grafted to three understocks. They are about 25 feet high. All 3 are very shy bearers like maybe only 10 nuts in three years on three trees. This year found only one. They look like your pictured husk and larger than a baseball, almost soft ball size. Took a picture of this years single nut along side an average BK. Thought I had pictures of one 2 years ago, but can't find it. Jerry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Untitled.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32642 bytes Desc: not available URL: From yettmw at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 18:25:40 2014 From: yettmw at gmail.com (Mary Yett) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:25:40 -0400 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid In-Reply-To: References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> Message-ID: This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's near north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting, I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started Spring of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your tree,maybe in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would you be interested in selling me some some day? It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'. Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82) On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote: > Hi Jerry > After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick light > fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other > trees in the area I planted the > hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them. > Thanks > Keith > > -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid > > > Hi Keith, > > Can you supply pictures? > > Jerry > > > In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: > > Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I was a > veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion > of the miners were Italian immigrants. > One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian walnut in > her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts with > me. When they germinated > they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I planted. > I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years later > that produces a pear shape > husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts > and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the > mill.Not > dry enough to evaluate. > I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was terminated > due to lack of success. > Keith > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > From lpittman at murraystate.edu Tue Oct 21 16:28:59 2014 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Dr. Lucky Pittman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:28:59 -0500 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid In-Reply-To: References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> Message-ID: <007801cfed6d$a5f37dd0$f1da7970$@murraystate.edu> Mary, I can't speak to the cold-hardiness of BW cultivars - Jerry may have a better handle on that than me... but many of the 'improved' BW cultivars have much thinner shells and higher kernel percentages than the run-of-the-mill 'wild' BW - some 2-3X the kernel %. 'Clermont' has the thinnest shell I've ever seen on a BW...'Thomas Myers' probably the best one I grow... IIRC, John Gordon really liked Emma Kay at his place in Amherst, NY, my buddy Gordon Nofs, at Flint, MI likes Kwik Krop best. Lucky Pittman (Auburn Univ. CVM Class of '85) -----Original Message----- From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Yett Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:26 PM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's near north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting, I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started Spring of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your tree,maybe in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would you be interested in selling me some some day? It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'. Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82) On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote: > Hi Jerry > After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick > light fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There > are other trees in the area I planted the hybrid seedlings so I'll > start checking the nuts from them. > Thanks > Keith > > -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid > > > Hi Keith, > > Can you supply pictures? > > Jerry > > > In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: > > Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I > was a veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large > portion of the miners were Italian immigrants. > One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian walnut > in her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several > nuts with me. When they germinated they produced what appeared to be > a black walnut seedlings that I planted. > I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years > later that produces a pear shape husk that a appears more fibrous and > organized than other black walnuts and produced a nut that cracks > somewhat easier than the run of the mill.Not dry enough to evaluate. > I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was > terminated due to lack of success. > Keith > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list > mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list > mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com __________________ nafex > mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit > Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a > donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list > mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From Jwlehman at aol.com Tue Oct 21 22:26:57 2014 From: Jwlehman at aol.com (Jwlehman at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:26:57 -0400 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid Message-ID: In a message dated 10/21/2014 4:29:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lpittman at murraystate.edu writes: I can't speak to the cold-hardiness of BW cultivars - Jerry may have a better handle on that than me... but many of the 'improved' BW cultivars have much thinner shells and higher kernel percentages than the run-of-the-mill 'wild' BW - some 2-3X the kernel %. 'Clermont' has the thinnest shell I've ever seen on a BW...'Thomas Myers' probably the best one I grow... IIRC, John Gordon really liked Emma Kay at his place in Amherst, NY, my buddy Gordon Nofs, at Flint, MI likes Kwik Krop best. These are good cultivars. I know of no winter hardiness problems with any BW variety in zone 5 or parts of zone 4, likely all of zone 4. I have Emma Kay, very thin shell such that one needs be careful in removing husk and cleaning not to break the shell. But flavor isn't as intense as my wild seedlings. But good! Jerry From growyourown at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 21:54:16 2014 From: growyourown at earthlink.net (mark wessel) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 21:54:16 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Martha Davis Message-ID: <6267A519-AEA0-4D7E-8A10-F6D1B0C51131@earthlink.net> Just received the news that long time Nafex supporter, board member, fruit growing advocate....... Martha Davis passed away 10/08/14. http://www.ladailypost.com/content/obituary-martha-lou-davis-aug-20-1953-?-oct-8-2014 From goatdoc at ctitech.com Fri Oct 24 12:30:32 2014 From: goatdoc at ctitech.com (R. Keith Etheridge) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:30:32 -0500 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid In-Reply-To: References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> Message-ID: <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753@keith2> Hi Mary I think quite possibly I'm the oldest NAFEX veterinarian as I graduated from Illinois veterinary college in'53 (second class). 3 or 4 years later I bought 80 acres of brush weeds and some worn out farm land nine miles from my residence. I had it cleared for pasture and farm land At the time there were no walnut trees and I planted 3 seedlings from the family farm.Later when I dispersed the cattle and put the marginal crop land in CRP Planted numerous seeds by stomping in the ground.Along with a few trees I bench grafted and the hybrid seedlings constitute the The genetic material of the thousands of walnuts I have. I remember the area I planted the hybrids so will keep looking. Keith -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yett Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:25 PM To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's near north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting, I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started Spring of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your tree,maybe in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would you be interested in selling me some some day? It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'. Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82) On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote: > Hi Jerry > After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick light > fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other > trees in the area I planted the > hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them. > Thanks > Keith > > -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid > > > Hi Keith, > > Can you supply pictures? > > Jerry > > > In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: > > Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I was > a > veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion > of the miners were Italian immigrants. > One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian walnut in > her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts with > me. When they germinated > they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I > planted. > I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years > later > that produces a pear shape > husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts > and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the > mill.Not > dry enough to evaluate. > I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was > terminated > due to lack of success. > Keith > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From ehilborn at mebtel.net Fri Oct 24 20:53:30 2014 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (Elizabeth Hilborn) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:53:30 -0400 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range In-Reply-To: <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753@keith2> References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753@keith2> Message-ID: <544AF48A.2030006@mebtel.net> Where do Carpathian walnuts do well on the east coast? I always though it was too warm, too much disease here in 7a NC. Will they thrive in the Appalachians in zone 6? Betsy Hilborn, DVM NCSU 1993 On 10/24/2014 12:30 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote: > Hi Mary > I think quite possibly I'm the oldest NAFEX veterinarian as I > graduated from Illinois veterinary college in'53 (second class). > 3 or 4 years later I bought 80 acres of brush weeds and some worn out > farm land nine miles from my residence. I had it cleared for pasture > and farm land > At the time there were no walnut trees and I planted 3 seedlings from > the family farm.Later when I dispersed the cattle and put the marginal > crop land in CRP Planted numerous seeds > by stomping in the ground.Along with a few trees I bench grafted and > the hybrid seedlings constitute the The genetic material of the > thousands of walnuts I have. > I remember the area I planted the hybrids so will keep looking. > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yett > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:25 PM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid > > This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too > far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black > walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's > near > north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in > cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting, > > I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started > Spring > of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your > tree,maybe > in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would > you > be interested in selling me some some day? > > It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in > NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky > Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'. > > Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82) > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge > > wrote: > >> Hi Jerry >> After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick >> light >> fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other >> trees in the area I planted the >> hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them. >> Thanks >> Keith >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM >> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid >> >> >> Hi Keith, >> >> Can you supply pictures? >> >> Jerry >> >> >> In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: >> >> Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I >> was a >> veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion >> of the miners were Italian immigrants. >> One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian >> walnut in >> her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts >> with >> me. When they germinated >> they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I >> planted. >> I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years >> later >> that produces a pear shape >> husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts >> and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the >> mill.Not >> dry enough to evaluate. >> I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was >> terminated >> due to lack of success. >> Keith >> __________________ From lpittman at murraystate.edu Fri Oct 24 22:27:08 2014 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Louis Pittman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:27:08 -0500 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range In-Reply-To: <544AF48A.2030006@mebtel.net> References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753@keith2> <544AF48A.2030006@mebtel.net> Message-ID: I've not looked at it in several years, but there was a big walnut at the parsonage of one of the churches in town here that I thought was a J.nigraXregia hybrid; leaf and bark most closely resembling J.regia, but nut more reminiscent of J.nigra...though not quite like any pure J.nigra I've seen. If I can remember, I'll try to swing by next time I'm in the neighborhood and see if I can snag a few nuts for examination. Lucky On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote: > Where do Carpathian walnuts do well on the east coast? I always though it > was too warm, too much disease here in 7a NC. > > Will they thrive in the Appalachians in zone 6? > > Betsy Hilborn, DVM > NCSU 1993 > > On 10/24/2014 12:30 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote: > >> Hi Mary >> I think quite possibly I'm the oldest NAFEX veterinarian as I graduated >> from Illinois veterinary college in'53 (second class). >> 3 or 4 years later I bought 80 acres of brush weeds and some worn out >> farm land nine miles from my residence. I had it cleared for pasture and >> farm land >> At the time there were no walnut trees and I planted 3 seedlings from the >> family farm.Later when I dispersed the cattle and put the marginal crop >> land in CRP Planted numerous seeds >> by stomping in the ground.Along with a few trees I bench grafted and the >> hybrid seedlings constitute the The genetic material of the thousands of >> walnuts I have. >> I remember the area I planted the hybrids so will keep looking. >> Keith >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yett >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:25 PM >> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid >> >> This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too >> far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black >> walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's near >> north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in >> cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting, >> >> I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started >> Spring >> of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your tree,maybe >> in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would you >> be interested in selling me some some day? >> >> It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in >> NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky >> Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'. >> >> Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82) >> >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge > > >> wrote: >> >> Hi Jerry >>> After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick >>> light >>> fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other >>> trees in the area I planted the >>> hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them. >>> Thanks >>> Keith >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM >>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid >>> >>> >>> Hi Keith, >>> >>> Can you supply pictures? >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: >>> >>> Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I >>> was a >>> veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion >>> of the miners were Italian immigrants. >>> One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian walnut in >>> her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts >>> with >>> me. When they germinated >>> they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I >>> planted. >>> I?m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years >>> later >>> that produces a pear shape >>> husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts >>> and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the >>> mill.Not >>> dry enough to evaluate. >>> I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was >>> terminated >>> due to lack of success. >>> Keith >>> __________________ >>> >> > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list > maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From lostman_amiga at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 22:07:07 2014 From: lostman_amiga at yahoo.com (rob hamilton) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:07:07 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Martha Davis In-Reply-To: <6267A519-AEA0-4D7E-8A10-F6D1B0C51131@earthlink.net> References: <6267A519-AEA0-4D7E-8A10-F6D1B0C51131@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1414289227.35508.YahooMailNeo@web162306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I am sorry to hear about about Martha. She was a dear friend and good supporter of NAFEX. I guess as the leader I should contact the family and mention something on Pomona. Do you know if we have done anything for the passing of board members in the past? Robert -------------------------------------------- Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA Atlanta Fruits Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) www.NAFEX.org Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF) http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ California Rare Fruit Growers www.crfg.org My New Blog!! http://atlantafruitman.wordpress.com/ On Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:54 PM, mark wessel wrote: Just received the news that long time Nafex supporter, board member, fruit growing advocate....... Martha Davis passed away 10/08/14. http://www.ladailypost.com/content/obituary-martha-lou-davis-aug-20-1953-?-oct-8-2014 __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From lostman_amiga at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 22:42:40 2014 From: lostman_amiga at yahoo.com (rob hamilton) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:42:40 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Martha Davis In-Reply-To: <1414289227.35508.YahooMailNeo@web162306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <6267A519-AEA0-4D7E-8A10-F6D1B0C51131@earthlink.net> <1414289227.35508.YahooMailNeo@web162306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1414291360.88407.YahooMailNeo@web162305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> sorry, dang yahoo mail The last post was not meant to be public -------------------------------------------- Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA Atlanta Fruits Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) www.NAFEX.org Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF) http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ California Rare Fruit Growers www.crfg.org My New Blog!! http://atlantafruitman.wordpress.com/ On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:07 PM, rob hamilton via nafex wrote: I am sorry to hear about about Martha. She was a dear friend and good supporter of NAFEX. I guess as the leader I should contact the family and mention something on Pomona. Do you know if we have done anything for the passing of board members in the past? Robert -------------------------------------------- Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA Atlanta Fruits Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) www.NAFEX.org Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF) http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ California Rare Fruit Growers www.crfg.org My New Blog!! http://atlantafruitman.wordpress.com/ On Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:54 PM, mark wessel wrote: Just received the news that long time Nafex supporter, board member, fruit growing advocate....... Martha Davis passed away 10/08/14. http://www.ladailypost.com/content/obituary-martha-lou-davis-aug-20-1953-?-oct-8-2014 __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From Jwlehman at aol.com Sun Oct 26 10:34:54 2014 From: Jwlehman at aol.com (Jwlehman at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:34:54 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Martha Davis Message-ID: <93a95.4e454356.417e608d@aol.com> Martha was a dear friend and supporter of NAFEX and MidFEX The Chicago area fruit explorers. Martha several times drove from Chicago, three hour drive along with Oriana Kruszewski and spent the day evaluating persimmons in the Jim Claypool persimmon breeding orchard. Some days were all day and then overnighted in Effingham, IL to return the next day. Martha served as NAFEX Secretary for several years and was also an officer in MidFEX. She was a tireless friend of fruit explorers every where. We have lost a dear friend. There are some very good persimmon varieties from Mr. Claypool's work. Considering her work with Claypool persimmons I think it would be appropriate to name one of his best in Martha's honor. I'll take this thought and consult with a few Indiana Nut & Fruit Growers very familure with his best varieties and we will name one in her honor. Jerry Lehman From bluestem_farm at juno.com Mon Oct 27 08:48:43 2014 From: bluestem_farm at juno.com (Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:48:43 GMT Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range Message-ID: <20141027.074843.3079.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> I can't speak to the whole range, but there was a huge English walnut (perhaps not Carpathian) in the yard of the place where Dad used to moor his boat somewhere near Chestertown, on the Eastern shore of Maryland. Sea level--plenty humid. Warm, too, although perhaps not as warm as NC. If you can find a copy of J. Russell Smith's Tree Fruits he has a chapter on English walnut & talks about where he knew of trees growing well. Muffy Barrett ---------- Original Message ---------- Return-Path: Received: from mx05.vgs.untd.com (mx05.vgs.untd.com [10.181.44.35]) by maildeliver10.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABLEX7FNAENB94S for (sender ); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: mx05.vgs.untd.com; DKIM=NONE Received-SPF: None Received: from lists.ibiblio.org (mailman1.ibiblio.org [152.19.134.8]) by mx05.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLEX7FMAVW3ACJ for (sender ); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 20217) id 314CA20F99; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:54:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mailman1.ibiblio.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from mailman1.ibiblio.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253FF2054C; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:53:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Delivered-To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 20217) id DDF5C2043F; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A545320418 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:53:38 -0400 (EDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=VPdfbqzX c=1 sm=1 a=BBv0mA5vn352lgHLpPHpgA==:17 a=FOfJmfHOgUsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=5n_psyjSAAAA:8 a=wkj3dZ8WAAAA:8 a=21fOOzqYM_j_eVbDnIcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=BBv0mA5vn352lgHLpPHpgA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: ZWhpbGJvcm5AbWVidGVsLm5ldA== Authentication-Results: smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ehilborn at mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.31.131] ([99.194.31.131:7083] helo=[192.168.33.140]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id 33/96-18447-194FA445; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:53:37 -0400 Message-ID: <544AF48A.2030006 at mebtel.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:53:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth Hilborn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804 at aol.com> <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753 at keith2> In-Reply-To: <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753 at keith2> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range X-BeenThere: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org Sender: "nafex" X-UNTD-BodySize: 5897 X-UNTD-SPF: None X-UNTD-DKIM: NONE X-ContentStamp: 43:21:2576444401 X-MAIL-INFO: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 8d1d64c1b01d3db03dc93ddda4add050f4a160d024a5a5646ddd94c46d7d6d7dc5e4c9299179f401296081cd599d80c010c985740505b490e9d9f0bd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 152.19.134.8|mailman1.ibiblio.org|lists.ibiblio.org|nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org X-UNTD-UBE:-1 Where do Carpathian walnuts do well on the east coast? I always though it was too warm, too much disease here in 7a NC. Will they thrive in the Appalachians in zone 6? Betsy Hilborn, DVM NCSU 1993 On 10/24/2014 12:30 PM, R. Keith Etheridge wrote: > Hi Mary > I think quite possibly I'm the oldest NAFEX veterinarian as I > graduated from Illinois veterinary college in'53 (second class). > 3 or 4 years later I bought 80 acres of brush weeds and some worn out > farm land nine miles from my residence. I had it cleared for pasture > and farm land > At the time there were no walnut trees and I planted 3 seedlings from > the family farm.Later when I dispersed the cattle and put the marginal > crop land in CRP Planted numerous seeds > by stomping in the ground.Along with a few trees I bench grafted and > the hybrid seedlings constitute the The genetic material of the > thousands of walnuts I have. > I remember the area I planted the hybrids so will keep looking. > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- From: Mary Yett > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:25 PM > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid > > This sounds very interesting. I too would love to see a picture. I am too > far north to grow carpathian walnuts ( or at least so far), but black > walnuts do well here on Manitoulin Island ( in Lake Huron - Ontario's > near > north, zone 4b). I love to eat black walnuts, but any improvement in > cracking them that grows on fairly hardy tree would be most exciting, > > I have around 25 or so black walnut seedlings of local stock started > Spring > of 2014 and would be interested in getting scion wood from your > tree,maybe > in Winter/Spring of 2016, when my trees are big enough to graft. Would > you > be interested in selling me some some day? > > It makes me chuckle that I now know of 3 veterinarians who are active in > NAFEX and have been growing nut trees for decades-- you, me and Lucky > Pitmann. Maybe that is because vets tend to be all a bit "nutty'. > > Mary Yett ( Auburn, class of '82) > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM, R. Keith Etheridge > > wrote: > >> Hi Jerry >> After I posted this I searched the internet and other than the thick >> light >> fibrous husk the nut shows no sign of Carpathian traits.There are other >> trees in the area I planted the >> hybrid seedlings so I'll start checking the nuts from them. >> Thanks >> Keith >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:21 PM >> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: Re: [nafex] walnut hybrid >> >> >> Hi Keith, >> >> Can you supply pictures? >> >> Jerry >> >> >> In a message dated 10/14/2014 4:20:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> goatdoc at ctitech.com writes: >> >> Kincaid Illinois is a few miles west of Taylorville Illinois where I >> was a >> veterinarian. It was created as a coal mining town where a large portion >> of the miners were Italian immigrants. >> One of my clients of Italian extraction had a large Carpathian >> walnut in >> her yard with many dogs.Knowing my interests she shared several nuts >> with >> me. When they germinated >> they produced what appeared to be a black walnut seedlings that I >> planted. >> I’m a very poor record keeper but I have a tree thirty or more years >> later >> that produces a pear shape >> husk that a appears more fibrous and organized than other black walnuts >> and produced a nut that cracks somewhat easier than the run of the >> mill.Not >> dry enough to evaluate. >> I think at one time the USDA had walnut hybrid station that was >> terminated >> due to lack of success. >> Keith >> __________________ __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com ____________________________________________________________ Map Your Flood Risk Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/544e3f4c31eb43f4c5b1bst01duc From ehilborn at mebtel.net Mon Oct 27 21:47:59 2014 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (Elizabeth Hilborn) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:47:59 -0400 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range In-Reply-To: <20141027.074843.3079.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20141027.074843.3079.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <544EF5CF.8050501@mebtel.net> Thank you. I found it on line. http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010175.tree%20crops.pdf Betsy On 10/27/2014 8:48 AM, Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett wrote: > J. Russell Smith's Tree Fruits From qazingulaza at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 08:18:10 2014 From: qazingulaza at gmail.com (mIEKAL aND) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 07:18:10 -0500 Subject: [nafex] walnut hybrid - Carpathian walnut range In-Reply-To: <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753@keith2> References: <76b2a.1677fe2d.416f1804@aol.com> <03432BED9A584F0D8580742A6FB73753@keith2> Message-ID: I'm in 4b in southwest Wisconsin and planted carpathians in the early 90s. The trees are all still alive and just now starting to bear nuts tho after last winter, the coldest since 1978, they didn't throw nuts this year. ~mIEKAL From lostman_amiga at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 08:35:58 2014 From: lostman_amiga at yahoo.com (rob hamilton) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 05:35:58 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Martha Davis In-Reply-To: <93a95.4e454356.417e608d@aol.com> References: <93a95.4e454356.417e608d@aol.com> Message-ID: <1414758958.65183.YahooMailNeo@web162303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thank you Jerry for the great suggestion. I think naming a fruit variety in here honor would be wonderful! If this comes to pass, please let us know. Would you be able to to do a short article on it in Pomona at some point? Robert -------------------------------------------- Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA Atlanta Fruits Club http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) www.NAFEX.org Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF) http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ California Rare Fruit Growers www.crfg.org My New Blog!! http://atlantafruitman.wordpress.com/ On Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:35 AM, Jwlehman--- via nafex wrote: Martha was a dear friend and supporter of NAFEX and MidFEX The Chicago area fruit explorers. Martha several times drove from Chicago, three hour drive along with Oriana Kruszewski and spent the day evaluating persimmons in the Jim Claypool persimmon breeding orchard. Some days were all day and then overnighted in Effingham, IL to return the next day. Martha served as NAFEX Secretary for several years and was also an officer in MidFEX. She was a tireless friend of fruit explorers every where. We have lost a dear friend. There are some very good persimmon varieties from Mr. Claypool's work. Considering her work with Claypool persimmons I think it would be appropriate to name one of his best in Martha's honor. I'll take this thought and consult with a few Indiana Nut & Fruit Growers very familure with his best varieties and we will name one in her honor. Jerry Lehman __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From dvidedevo at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 18:04:20 2014 From: dvidedevo at yahoo.com (Devin Smith) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:04:20 -0700 Subject: [nafex] medlar bletting Message-ID: <1414793060.61532.YahooMailNeo@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I noticed my breda giant medlars starting to drop a bit today so picked them all. Happy to see they sized up a lot more-- almost all over 1 1/2" many not quite 2"-- almost double the size of last years and more like what I would hope for from a proclaimed "giant." Last years crop was more so a disappointment because the fruit failed to blet properly, and instead dessicated and shriveled. After a couple years of successful bletting, I thought the process was pretty fail safe, but apparently didn't "do it right." It seems this may be a somewhat poorly understood area. I think of the numerous claims that frost is required to sweeten certain fruits, which as a northern grower skrimping for degree days on some of these fruits, seems clearly bogus. That said, I did leave a couple medlars on a tree accidentally through much of the winter. If I remember correctly, I found them during a thaw in March or so. They were perfectly bletted and as delicious as any I've had. And surprisingly moist. What exactly is going on inside the medlar-- fermentation of some kind I assume, and what are the optimal conditions for this to take place? I assume they can be refrigerated for a good while and bletted in batches if need be.