From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Tue Dec 2 15:04:41 2014 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:04:41 +0000 Subject: [nafex] After Honeycrisp, fruit breeder looking for the next 'rock star' apple (LaCrosse Tribune) Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E40538D34E@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> After Honeycrisp, fruit breeder looking for the next 'rock star' apple La Crosse Tribune EXCELSIOR, Minn. (TNS) - On a crisp late fall afternoon, David Bedford plucks an apple from a young tree, chomps into the fruit and chews ... From boulierinasia at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 19:05:04 2014 From: boulierinasia at yahoo.com (Jeffrey Boulier) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 00:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant? Message-ID: <638956628.5802496.1417824304973.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi folks, Is anyone aware of a nursery (or collector) selling non-Crandall selections of Ribes Odoratum/Clove currant? I have checked my usual suspects, and only "Crandall" and generic ones come up. Lee Reich mentions that Crandall is not a single clonal variety, with some seedlings having been sold under that name, but since I have no way of telling if the Crandall I already have is the same as that from other suppliers, I'd like something that is definitively different. Thanks,Jeff From sam.brungardt at state.mn.us Mon Dec 8 11:56:12 2014 From: sam.brungardt at state.mn.us (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:56:12 +0000 Subject: [nafex] 10 Exotic Fruits Worth Traveling For Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E40538E372@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> 10 Exotic Fruits Worth Traveling For The Daily Meal We sat in his family's village home and sampled various kinds of local fruit that Mr. Rot had gathered for us to try. We'd been tasting for a few minutes ... 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In-Reply-To: <638956628.5802496.1417824304973.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <638956628.5802496.1417824304973.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E40538E6A8@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> Jeff, to my knowledge the only nursery that ever offered R. odoratum seedlings was Bear Creek, in northeastern Washington State. Unfortunately, that nursery has been out of business for a number of years. I don't know if anyone really knows whether the true vegetatively propagated Crandall selection still exists. The Repository at Corvallis has a clonal selection, which was donated by either a nursery, breeder, or an enthusiast. Whether it is actually the true Crandall is something I don't think anyone knows. The original selection was made before 1900 in Kansas. I grew up in west-central Kansas, where buffalo currants grow wild and bear profusely. I have grown Crandall here in Minnesota and although the plant I had here bore heavily, it ripened in late August instead of about July 4 as it ripens in Kansas. The selection I grew here in St. Paul lacked the really rich and sweet flavor of the wild currants we picked in Kansas. I don't think its flowers were as fragrant, either. However, the traits my Crandall plant displayed in Minnesota may have been greatly affected by the climate and amount of heat available during ripening. I wish someone would test a number of wild clove currant selections to see if any are superior to the Crandall currant that is available from nurseries today. Clove currants are not difficult to establish from seed; my mother used to throw out the water she washed them in (which also contained a lot of seeds from burst berries) in a rough spot near our farmhouse, and eventually she had a patch of seedlings. However, they never bore enough currants to meet her needs. To get that amount the whole family went currant picking each summer along the creeks and roadsides as well as in our pastures. My dad's favorite pie was wild currant pie, which IS delicious served warm with vanilla ice cream. Mom canned wild currants so he could have currant pie anytime she found the time to make it. And mom made lots of wild currant jelly. She even helped me make wine from wild currants one year. We've sort of pussyfooted around the R. odoratum-R. aureum debate that botanists are engaged in. Prof. Nils Hansen made a number of golden current selections at South Dakota State University a number of years ago, but I think all of those have been lost. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. -----Original Message----- From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Boulier via nafex Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:05 PM To: Mailing List at Ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant? Hi folks, Is anyone aware of a nursery (or collector) selling non-Crandall selections of Ribes Odoratum/Clove currant? I have checked my usual suspects, and only "Crandall" and generic ones come up. Lee Reich mentions that Crandall is not a single clonal variety, with some seedlings having been sold under that name, but since I have no way of telling if the Crandall I already have is the same as that from other suppliers, I'd like something that is definitively different. Thanks,Jeff __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From list at ginda.us Mon Dec 8 18:27:03 2014 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:27:03 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant? In-Reply-To: <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E40538E6A8@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> References: <638956628.5802496.1417824304973.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1268E36B214F7D4F968B0285BF5CF3E40538E6A8@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net> Message-ID: <19fa24c6-eff5-4318-9975-6d65bfd4e562@email.android.com> My "Crandall" yields seedlings from time to time. I recently gave a couple to local friends. Maybe find someone local who grows them and bum some seedlings off them? Ginda -- Typed with Swype. Who knows what I meant to say? On December 8, 2014 5:37:11 PM EST, "Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)" wrote: >Jeff, to my knowledge the only nursery that ever offered R. odoratum >seedlings was Bear Creek, in northeastern Washington State. >Unfortunately, that nursery has been out of business for a number of >years. > >I don't know if anyone really knows whether the true vegetatively >propagated Crandall selection still exists. The Repository at >Corvallis has a clonal selection, which was donated by either a >nursery, breeder, or an enthusiast. Whether it is actually the true >Crandall is something I don't think anyone knows. The original >selection was made before 1900 in Kansas. I grew up in west-central >Kansas, where buffalo currants grow wild and bear profusely. I have >grown Crandall here in Minnesota and although the plant I had here bore >heavily, it ripened in late August instead of about July 4 as it ripens >in Kansas. The selection I grew here in St. Paul lacked the really >rich and sweet flavor of the wild currants we picked in Kansas. I >don't think its flowers were as fragrant, either. However, the traits >my Crandall plant displayed in Minnesota may have been greatly affected >by the climate and amount of heat available during ripening. > >I wish someone would test a number of wild clove currant selections to >see if any are superior to the Crandall currant that is available from >nurseries today. Clove currants are not difficult to establish from >seed; my mother used to throw out the water she washed them in (which >also contained a lot of seeds from burst berries) in a rough spot near >our farmhouse, and eventually she had a patch of seedlings. However, >they never bore enough currants to meet her needs. To get that amount >the whole family went currant picking each summer along the creeks and >roadsides as well as in our pastures. > >My dad's favorite pie was wild currant pie, which IS delicious served >warm with vanilla ice cream. Mom canned wild currants so he could have >currant pie anytime she found the time to make it. And mom made lots >of wild currant jelly. She even helped me make wine from wild currants >one year. > >We've sort of pussyfooted around the R. odoratum-R. aureum debate that >botanists are engaged in. Prof. Nils Hansen made a number of golden >current selections at South Dakota State University a number of years >ago, but I think all of those have been lost. -- Sam Brungardt, St. >Paul, Minn. > >-----Original Message----- >From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of >Jeffrey Boulier via nafex >Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:05 PM >To: Mailing List at Ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >Subject: [nafex] Non-Crandall Clove Currant? > >Hi folks, >Is anyone aware of a nursery (or collector) selling non-Crandall >selections of Ribes Odoratum/Clove currant? I have checked my usual >suspects, and only "Crandall" and generic ones come up. Lee Reich >mentions that Crandall is not a single clonal variety, with some >seedlings having been sold under that name, but since I have no way of >telling if the Crandall I already have is the same as that from other >suppliers, I'd like something that is definitively different. >Thanks,Jeff >__________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user >config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >message archives >http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex >Google message archive search: >site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list >mirror sites: >http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog >http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist >http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist >https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist >Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com >__________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list >maintenance: >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >message archives >http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex >Google message archive search: >site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] >nafex list mirror sites: >http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog >http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist >http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist >https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist >Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From dvidedevo at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 21:50:12 2014 From: dvidedevo at yahoo.com (Devin Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 02:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] BIG medlars Message-ID: <1971485251.7617997.1418179812746.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm in the process of trying to procure some large varieties of medlar for grafting this spring. I'm hopefully receiving a couple sticks of?Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff, which I'm excited about as I understand they are pretty massive. I just came across the names of a couple other varieties of truly giant medlar and was wondering if anyone new of sources for either. One is called Flander's Giant, and it looks like it may be a new variety and perhaps patented, but I'm not sure about that. The other one is an older variety I believe, perhaps Dutch. Its called Giant of Uitbergen. Apparently these 2 varieties have fruit that approaches 3" in diameter. It seems that their size makes them potentially a much more viable crop. I'm imagining running them through a food mill to separate the pulp from the skin and seeds, at which point I think you would have not only the most exotic "applesauce" around, but a really nice accompaniment to holiday meat dishes. Medlar glazed goose anyone? From spidra at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 23:41:32 2014 From: spidra at gmail.com (Spidra Webster) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:41:32 -0800 Subject: [nafex] BIG medlars In-Reply-To: <1971485251.7617997.1418179812746.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1971485251.7617997.1418179812746.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Home Orchard Society has an edible demonstration garden at Clackamas Community College that's really impressive. I was bowled over to see not one but two medlar varieties there. 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' is truly monstrous. They also grew a variety called 'Westerveld'. I remember 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' being 2 to 3 times as big as the 'Nottingham' I grew. https://www.flickr.com/photos/spidra/14687487338 Megan Lynch http://www.meganlynch.net South Pasadena, CA Zone 10a From boulierinasia at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 09:21:43 2014 From: boulierinasia at yahoo.com (Jeffrey Boulier) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] BIG medlars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1197616764.161993.1418221304028.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dutch is sometimes called "Dutch Giant". ?Haven't heard of it under the Giant of?Uitbergen name.?From personal experience, it is quite a bit bigger than Nottingham.? Looking at pictures, I think the biggest variety around is either Large Russian, Puciu Big or Puciulot, none of which I've seen myself. Scroll down on this page:?http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/shrubs/msg0416174328502.html?10?for a picture of Large Russian with an apple. Puciu Big & Puciulot can be compared with some other cultivars here:?http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_imag.pl?24182 ? On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:41 PM, Spidra Webster wrote: The Home Orchard Society has an edible demonstration garden at Clackamas Community College that's really impressive. I was bowled over to see not one but two medlar varieties there. 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' is truly monstrous. They also grew a variety called 'Westerveld'. I remember 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' being 2 to 3 times as big as the 'Nottingham' I grew. https://www.flickr.com/photos/spidra/14687487338 Megan Lynch http://www.meganlynch.net South Pasadena, CA Zone 10a __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared? http://www.avantgeared.com From hello at protocol6.com Fri Dec 12 13:02:43 2014 From: hello at protocol6.com (Andre Pierre) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:02:43 -0500 Subject: [nafex] BIG medlars In-Reply-To: <1197616764.161993.1418221304028.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1197616764.161993.1418221304028.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20141212180243.GB8135@arcanum.localdomain.local> Hi, Just curious... Are the trees bearing the big fruit different in form or size when compared to the standard varieties (say 'Nottingham')? Best regards, :-) Andre Pierre Central Massachusetts Zone 5b On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:21:43PM +0000, Jeffrey Boulier via nafex wrote: > Dutch is sometimes called "Dutch Giant". ??Haven't heard of it under the Giant of??Uitbergen name.??From personal experience, it is quite a bit bigger than Nottingham.?? > Looking at pictures, I think the biggest variety around is either Large Russian, Puciu Big or Puciulot, none of which I've seen myself. Scroll down on this page:??http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/shrubs/msg0416174328502.html?10??for a picture of Large Russian with an apple. Puciu Big & Puciulot can be compared with some other cultivars here:??http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_imag.pl?24182 ?? > > On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:41 PM, Spidra Webster wrote: > > > The Home Orchard Society has an edible demonstration garden at Clackamas > Community College that's really impressive. I was bowled over to see not > one but two medlar varieties there. 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' is truly > monstrous. They also grew a variety called 'Westerveld'. I remember > 'Monstrueuse d'Evreinoff' being 2 to 3 times as big as the 'Nottingham' I > grew. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/spidra/14687487338 > > > Megan Lynch > http://www.meganlynch.net > > South Pasadena, CA > Zone 10a > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared?? http://www.avantgeared.com > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > message archives > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex > Google message archive search: > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] > nafex list mirror sites: > http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog > http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist > Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com -- "...faith is nice but doubt gets you an education." - The New Yorker From mdemmon at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 11:02:47 2014 From: mdemmon at gmail.com (Matt Demmon) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:02:47 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Persimmons. Message-ID: Does anyone have a favorite place to order grafted persimmons and paw paws from? I'm looking for some for next year, and haven't ever ordered these species, and most nurseries I deal with don't carry them or are already sold out for next year. Thanks! -matt z5 se MI From lpittman at murraystate.edu Wed Dec 17 11:40:54 2014 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Dr. Lucky Pittman) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:40:54 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Persimmons. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301d01a18$3ae94dd0$b0bbe970$@murraystate.edu> England's Orchard & Nursery - www. nuttrees.net Nolin River Nut Tree Nursery - www. nolinnursery.com -----Original Message----- From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Matt Demmon Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:03 AM To: nafex list Subject: [nafex] Persimmons. Does anyone have a favorite place to order grafted persimmons and paw paws from? I'm looking for some for next year, and haven't ever ordered these species, and most nurseries I deal with don't carry them or are already sold out for next year. Thanks! -matt z5 se MI __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From lpittman at murraystate.edu Wed Dec 17 11:43:16 2014 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Dr. Lucky Pittman) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:43:16 -0600 Subject: [nafex] Persimmons. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003401d01a18$8f38b560$adaa2020$@murraystate.edu> Also, Rock Bridge Trees - www.rockbridgetrees.com Hidden Springs Nursery - www.hiddenspringsnursery.com -----Original Message----- From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Matt Demmon Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:03 AM To: nafex list Subject: [nafex] Persimmons. Does anyone have a favorite place to order grafted persimmons and paw paws from? I'm looking for some for next year, and haven't ever ordered these species, and most nurseries I deal with don't carry them or are already sold out for next year. Thanks! -matt z5 se MI __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex message archives http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror sites: http://ifneb.blogspot.com IFNEB Blog http://groups.google.com/group/permaculturelist http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com From Applesrgoodforu at aol.com Wed Dec 17 21:01:41 2014 From: Applesrgoodforu at aol.com (Applesrgoodforu at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:01:41 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Raintree Nursery Message-ID: I thought Raintree Nursery was out of business. Today I received my 2014 catalog. Here is their phone number. 1 800 391 8892 web site is _www.RaintreeNursery.com_ (http://www.RaintreeNursery.com) Dan Ester Eugene, Oregon