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[Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com>]

I have the NV_Topaz_Lake_20120208_TM_geo.pdf USGS map for 2012. It has 40 ft 
contour intervals.

I have looked at the http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ site and am unable to find 
out how 
to get USGS topo maps. 

I have looked at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bav_t8qw2Mc&list=FLurvi9wn9MostmWFrrirmWg
It will take another couple of trips through the video. The first problem is 
that the 
resolution is too course to follow what is going on. I don't know at this 
point if the 
problem is operator error or the resolution just isn't there. I am 
downloading Sketchup 
Make for 2013 for comparison purposes. Then I need to figure out where to get 
the 
starting file and in what format.

Since Adobe and Firefox are fighting and the USGS is using Flash, I had to 
switch over 
to Chrome. The TopoView doesn't offer anything in addition to the published 
map 
beyond political correctness. (There is a lot of ground labeled Washoe 
Ranches Trust 
Land that is only true in the distant past despite resetting the time scale.) 
The 
geology hasn't improved from the Topaz Lake 15' map of 1981. There is no 
later work 
on the area or the formation names. The formation names are catchalls from 
the rock 
types point of view. I get to do my own collecting and classifying. 

The climate was looked up: between 20 and less than 10 and whatever the 
climate we 
are in a drought of 50% less. The actual rainfall is elevation dependent and 
likely less 
than 10 inches. We have picked up less than 1 inch so far this Winter. 

The soils are also a catchall and thin:

*Properties and qualities *
     *  Slope: 15 to 30 percent 
     *  Surface area covered with cobbles, stones or boulders: 2.0 percent 
     *  Depth to restrictive feature: 12 to 20 inches to lithic bedrock 
     *  Drainage class: Well drained 
     *  Capacity of the most limiting layer to transmit water (Ksat): Very 
low (0.00 to 
0.00 in/hr) 
     *  Depth to water table: More than 80 inches 
     *  Frequency of flooding: None 
     *  Frequency of ponding: None 
     *  Available water capacity: Very low (about 1.7 inches) 
All the above are the reasons for moving the soil cover to terraces. The soil 
can then 
hold a reasonable amount of water for at least water thrifty plants of the 
region. With 
the drought we have even the sagebrush will die and the pinyon pines are 
already in 
deep trouble. 

The field guide has ideas I haven't considered. I'll need to study it to see 
what can be 
applied to thin soils.

Yes, I'd like to see what is going on further North. It is a couple of hours 
away and will 
take some arranging. I don't travel well or much.

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 08:30:22 PM Neil Bertrando wrote:
> I was looking at this image
> http://www.inmagine.com/imb091/imb0910770-photo
> 
> looks like your place in Gardnerville is much more gentle terrain.
> 
> do you have contour maps?
> 
> if not, you can use http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ to get USGS topo maps for
> your site and catchment area calcs.
> 
> for a more detailed contour map for your place at interval of your choice
> (i.e. 1', 2', 5', 1m, etc), see the sketchup how to create contour maps
> here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bav_t8qw2Mc&list=FLurvi9wn9MostmWFrrirmWg
> 
> then I use illustrator to overlay a google earth image with a scale bar.
> I'm guessing photoshop would work.  or autoCAD if you are familiar with the
> programs.
> 
> I got the sketchup video link from the Regrarians facebook group.  check it
> out if you use facebook.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/140395289480580/
> 
> I usually get climate data from
> Western Regional climate center
> http://wrcc.dri.edu/
> 
> and USGS geological maps
> http://ngmdb.usgs.gov/ngmdb/ngmdb_home.html
> 
> and NRCS web soil survey
> http://websoilsurvey.sc.egov.usda.gov/App/HomePage.htm
> 
> from the google earth image looks like a great opportunity for water
> harvesting erosion control earthworks similar to those in Craig Sponholtz
> field guide http://drylandsolutions.com/Erosion_Control_Field_Guide.pdf
> 
> I would love to see some compare/contrast trials of contour and keyline
> layouts for some of these erosion control techniques, as well as variations
> in planting layouts (i.e. above and below structures, alley cropping,
> savannah, etc.)
> 
> I'm nearby in Reno.  There are severals sites developing around N NV right
> now.  let me know if you want to visit any to see various styles of design
> and mgmt.
> 
> best of luck on your projects,
> Neil
> 
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not sure what photo you are looking at. Try looking at Zillow:
> > 1542 Holbrook Bluffs Ct, NV
> > http://www.zillow.com/homes/1542-Holbrook-bluff-ct,-nv_rb/
> > 
> > On Friday, January 10, 2014 10:10:39 AM Neil Bertrando wrote:
> > > assuming your place is like the photo...
> > > 
> > > you might be able to do something similar to SALT using contour post
> > > hedgerows to build up sediment and mulch, or rock mulch on contour again
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > build up terraces over time.  dependent on sediment and water supply
> > 
> > (rate
> > 
> > > and qty).
> > > 
> > > I think planting pickets or moving rocks by hand on steep slopes fits
> > > the
> > > category of hard labor
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > That is because there is a hidden variable here. In order to maintain
> > 
> > my
> > 
> > > > health I must put in an hour of hard labor per day. I choose to do it
> > > > building
> > > > up something "extremely detail intensive, technically difficult
> > > > terraforming"
> > > > that requires a lot of hard labor. The same amount of love could be
> > > > lavished
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> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 1:58 PM, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> Thing is that I have seen so much destruction in my life and that is only
>> speeding up. The North Pacific ocean is already a dead zone thanks to
>> Fukushima. In ten years time there will be no more lions, elephants,
>>
>
> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-01/osu-lol010314.php
> *PUBLIC RELEASE DATE:* 9-Jan-2014

Apex predators are seriously necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Perhaps have 
a Google at "The end of Eden" in connection with Pleistocene extinction of 
the Mega-fauna in North America. For me Elin Whitney- Smith is right on 
target.
John 


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