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  • From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] A school near a terraced rice field in Vietnam
  • Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:23:16 -0500

Beautiful list Neil. Thanks. I second the Yeomans Keyline plow system and
the uses it can be put to.


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Neil Bertrando
<neilbertrando@gmail.com>wrote:

> In general for construction, earthworks and other technical information
> require detailed calculations, specs, design parameters, etc. I refer to
> FAO, NRCS, engineering, and construction references.
>
> you might also consider utilizing the keyline design system for layout.
>
> Here's a list of resources. hope it helps.
>
> Soil conservation techniques for hillside farms
>
> http://www.nzdl.org/gsdlmod?e=d-00000-00---off-0hdl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-home---00-0-1-00-0-0-11-1-0utfZz-8-00&cl=CL1.16.9&d=HASHbdde2fe3749493c1a0de2d.1&gt=2
>
> NRCS engineering field manual chapter 8 Terraces
>
> http://irrigationtoolbox.com/NEH/Part650_EngineeringFieldHandbook/EFH-CH08.pdf
>
> FAO Watershed mgmt field manual ch 9
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad083e/ad083e10.htm
>
> FAO Irrigation Water mgmt: Irrigation methods
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/s8684e/s8684e03.htm
>
> bench terrace design made simple
>
> http://tucson.ars.ag.gov/isco/isco12/VolumeIV/BenchTerraceDesignMadeSimple.pdf
>
> FAO Watershed mgmt field manual ch 6
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad083e/ad083e07.htm
>
> FAO Watershed mgmt field manual ch 8
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad083e/AD083e09.htm
>
> retaining wall manual for Keystone pavers
> http://www.keystonewalls.com/media/Literature/ConstManual.pdf
>
> Am Soc of Ag engineers terrace manual. not able to access but would like
> to
> http://elibrary.asabe.org/abstract.asp?aid=41193&t=2&redir=&redirType=
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to try terracing on 5 acres of hillside here in Nevada. It is
> dry
> > country so the water table needs to be perched in each terrace. Do you
> have
> > any sources on their construction? I remember seeing terracing used under
> > these conditions in the Mid-East.
> >
> > On Monday, January 06, 2014 12:24:21 PM Lawrence London wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Pete Gasper, Gasper Family Farm <
> > >
> > > farmer1@gasperfarm.com> wrote:
> > > > What kind of soil is underneath those fields? Here in America we'd
> > > > consider
> > > > that too steep to plant or do much anything with besides maybe cattle
> > or
> > > > scrub timber. But then you can't run a combine with a 30' header
> > across it
> > > > and our soils of such geography tend to have stone a few inches down.
> > But
> > > > I
> > > > wonder if human scale agriculture could radically expend food
> > production
> > > > here via methods like that.
> > >
> > > The amount of planning that goes into the design, construction and
> soil
> > > preparation of those terraces is incredible. I read an article on a
> group
> > > that rebuilt some that had been damaged from erosion when the walls
> > > collapsed. I guess construction methods vary according to materials
> > > available on site but usually a lot of dry-laid stonework goes into the
> > > foundation of each terrace wall. Drainage and wall reinforcement is
> part
> > of
> > > the process. I think some Asian rice terraces date back thousands of
> > years.
> > > The steep terrain was all the people had to work with, little or no
> flat
> > > land. Here in the US the best farmland, prime, not marginal, should be
> > > protected from development and made available for agricultural use only
> > > employing natural methods and materials and permaculture.
> > >
> > > There is no reason that prime farm soil on hilly terrain could not be
> > > terraced and farmed productively. Depending on slope techniques using
> > > Yeoman Keyline plows to backhoes, to skid loaders to track loaters to
> > track
> > > hoes could be used. Water would be a big issue and impoundments would
> be
> > > necessary. I am talking about earthworks only, without any masonry
> > > components unless they are abundant on site and can be used in situ
> along
> > > with the soil used to build the earthworks. An in depth permaculture
> > > systems design could be created using polyculture, livestock, fish,
> > > crustaceans, crop diversity, post harvest methods that recycle
> > byproducts,
> > > chinampas, all ideas taken from certain terraced regions in the
> > Phillipines
> > > where permaculture is practiced traditionally and is the de facto
> > standard
> > > for their agricutural practices.
> > >
> > > Sepp Holzer is doing great things on his hillside farm in Austria.
> There
> > > are vast universes of knowledge that can be gained from traditional
> > > agriculture as practiced in every country of the world. For the US
> Asian
> > > countries seem to offer the most with a considerable amount from Middle
> > > Eastern countries such as Iran, Iraq and Afganistan, with particular
> > > reference to the water conservation and storage methods and water
> > delivery
> > > systems, i.e. quanats in Iran and irrigation tunnels in Afganistan, all
> > > ancient systems. Of course much of this would not serve large scale
> > > agriculture methods, i.e. broad acre farming, very well but would be of
> > > immense value to local small scale farming units, individual, family,
> > small
> > > farm. Traditional indigenous farming systems need to be identified,
> > > documented and preserved.
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