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[Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com>]

I appreciate the effort you went through to get the references. I have read 
them all. 

But (he wrote with a smile) they are not designed for my constraints: thin 
soil, steep 
slopes, little water, and 30 miles to the nearest Keystone paver. The 
following gives an 
idea of the lay of the land:

     *  http://www.inmagine.com/imb091/imb0910770-photo

Unfortunately, the rock formations are not layer cake geology either here in 
Nevada in 
the basin and range province.  The closest I have been able to come to 
techniques is:
     *  http://www.merip.org/mer/mer254/water-conflict-cooperation-yemen
Unfortunately, the water rights have been stripped from the land and well 
drilling is not 
an option. The article plainly indicates that it wasn't much of a solution 
anyway. 
Somehow I need to build terrace walls that are sealed against water leakage 
and that 
insulate enough that cold weather won't heave the walls using only readily 
available 
local materials which means rocks, dirt, and pinyon pine and plenty of hand 
labor. As I 
am used to mining, converting some of the local limestone to quicklime has 
never 
been a difficult task. 

On Monday, January 06, 2014 08:05:01 PM Neil Bertrando wrote:
> In general for construction, earthworks and other technical information
> require detailed calculations, specs, design parameters, etc.  I refer to
> FAO, NRCS, engineering, and construction references.
> 
> you might also consider utilizing the keyline design system for layout.
> 
> Here's a list of resources.  hope it helps.
> 
> Soil conservation techniques for hillside farms
> http://www.nzdl.org/gsdlmod?e=d-00000-00---off-0hdl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0d
> irect-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-home---00-0-1-00-0-0-11-1-0utfZz-8-00
> &cl=CL1.16.9&d=HASHbdde2fe3749493c1a0de2d.1&gt=2
> 
> NRCS engineering field manual chapter 8 Terraces
> http://irrigationtoolbox.com/NEH/Part650_EngineeringFieldHandbook/EFH-CH08.p
> df
> 
> FAO Watershed mgmt field manual ch 9
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad083e/ad083e10.htm
> 
> FAO Irrigation Water mgmt: Irrigation methods
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/s8684e/s8684e03.htm
> 
> bench terrace design made simple
> http://tucson.ars.ag.gov/isco/isco12/VolumeIV/BenchTerraceDesignMadeSimple.p
> df
> 
> FAO Watershed mgmt field manual ch 6
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad083e/ad083e07.htm
> 
> FAO Watershed mgmt field manual ch 8
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad083e/AD083e09.htm
> 
> retaining wall manual for Keystone pavers
> http://www.keystonewalls.com/media/Literature/ConstManual.pdf
> 
> Am Soc of Ag engineers terrace manual.  not able to access but would like to
> http://elibrary.asabe.org/abstract.asp?aid=41193&t=2&redir=&redirType=
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd like to try terracing on 5 acres of hillside here in Nevada. It is dry
> > country so the water table needs to be perched in each terrace. Do you
> > have
> > any sources on their construction? I remember seeing terracing used under
> > these conditions in the Mid-East.
> > 
> > On Monday, January 06, 2014 12:24:21 PM Lawrence London wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Pete Gasper, Gasper Family Farm <
> > > 
> > > farmer1@gasperfarm.com> wrote:
> > > > What kind of soil is underneath those fields? Here in America we'd
> > > > consider
> > > > that too steep to plant or do much anything with besides maybe cattle
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > > > scrub timber. But then you can't run a combine with a 30' header
> > 
> > across it
> > 
> > > > and our soils of such geography tend to have stone a few inches down.
> > 
> > But
> > 
> > > > I
> > > > wonder if human scale agriculture could radically expend food
> > 
> > production
> > 
> > > > here via methods like that.
> > >  
> > >  The amount of planning that goes into the design, construction and soil
> > > 
> > > preparation of those terraces is incredible. I read an article on a
> > > group
> > > that rebuilt some that had been damaged from erosion when the walls
> > > collapsed. I guess construction methods vary according to materials
> > > available on site but usually a lot of dry-laid stonework goes into the
> > > foundation of each terrace wall. Drainage and wall reinforcement is part
> > 
> > of
> > 
> > > the process. I think some Asian rice terraces date back thousands of
> > 
> > years.
> > 
> > > The steep terrain was all the people had to work with, little or no flat
> > > land. Here in the US the best farmland, prime, not marginal, should be
> > > protected from development and made available for agricultural use only
> > > employing natural methods and materials and permaculture.
> > > 
> > > There is no reason that prime farm soil on hilly terrain could not be
> > > terraced and farmed productively. Depending on slope techniques using
> > > Yeoman Keyline plows to backhoes, to skid loaders to track loaters to
> > 
> > track
> > 
> > > hoes could be used. Water would be a big issue and impoundments would be
> > > necessary. I am talking about earthworks only, without any masonry
> > > components unless they are abundant on site and can be used in situ
> > > along
> > > with the soil used to build the earthworks. An in depth permaculture
> > > systems design could be created using polyculture, livestock, fish,
> > > crustaceans, crop diversity, post harvest methods that recycle
> > 
> > byproducts,
> > 
> > > chinampas, all ideas taken from certain terraced regions in the
> > 
> > Phillipines
> > 
> > > where permaculture is practiced traditionally and is the de facto
> > 
> > standard
> > 
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Sorry for answering this late but we suffered some repeated storm damage 
over the last few weeks. Including the pc blowing up due to lightning 
strike.

To tell the truth I am not sure what to think of this. In the last year 
alone I have seen probably ten different products being hailed as THE 
solution to prolong life by at least 50 years. Dimethylglycine, telomerase, 
pyrroquinoline-quinone (PPQ) are just a few of the more recent ones and they 
followed older products like coQ10 (traditionally in the ubiquinone form 
which is now discarded for the ubiquinol form).

Of course NAD is of serious importance in the body's biochemistry and we 
could not live without it but I seriously doubt that NAD injections alone 
will make much of a difference. Literally hundreds of natural chemicals are 
absolutely needed to stay healthy and we better avoid all the toxins 
(including EM radiation) that are everywhere these days at the same time.

I am certain that longevity promoting products are enormously hyped up these 
days. I seriously wonder whether all this hype is a good thing for most 
individuals and the planet and all life as a whole if it were even really 
possible. I myself am a bit short of 60 and I am tired after a life full of 
battle and fighting to preserve some of our natural ecosystem. I might not 
mind if this world was a nicer place and more of an utopia but I can only 
see more bad sh*t coming. In fact I can see it on my own doorstep now. Just 
before X'mass we got seriously penalised for having too many shrubs and 
trees on our farm. (Permaculture is not popular here) Probably a quarter of 
our not too brilliant income gone in one swift bureaucratic pen stroke.
Of course I will keep on fighting (doing the things I feel I morally have to 
do) but I am seriously not looking forward to another 60 years of the same 
if that were possible by taking a magic potion.

I think there is a reason why 3 score years and ten (or a bit longer) may 
not be such a bad thing. Should give you time to teach some of your 
knowledge to your grandchildren if that is even possible in this ever faster 
changing world and after that you are just taking up space and resources 
from the new young ones of every species.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence London" <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:28 PM
Subject: [permaculture] Anti-ageing compound set for human trials after 
turning clock back for mice | Science | theguardian.com


> John D'h, what do you make of this? - LL
>
> Anti-ageing compound set for human trials after turning clock back for 
> mice
> | Science | theguardian.com
> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/20/anti-ageing-human-trials?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
>
> "Australian and US researchers hope an anti-ageing compound could be
> trialled on humans as early as next year, following a key breakthrough 
> that
> saw the ageing process reversed in mice.
>
> The study <http://www.cell.com/retrieve/pii/S0092867413015213?cc=y>,
> involving Harvard University and the University of NSW, discovered a way 
> of
> restoring the efficiency of cells, completely reversing the ageing process
> in muscles.
>
> Two-year-old mice were given a compound over a week, moving back the key
> indicators of ageing to that of a six-month-old mouse. Researchers said
> this was the equivalent of making a 60-year-old person feel like a
> 20-year-old.
>
> It’s hoped the research, published in Cell, will be expanded to humans as
> early as next year, with scientists set to look at how the theory of age
> reversal can be used to treat diseases such as cancer, dementia and
> diabetes.
>
> The research focused on an area of cells, called mitochondria, which
> produce energy. Over time, the communication between this area and the 
> cell
> nucleus degrades, leading to the ageing process.
>
> Researchers injected a chemical called nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide,
> or NAD, which reduces in the body as we age. The addition of this compound
> led to the radical reversal in the ageing of the mice."
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