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  • From: kevin skvorak <k.skvorak@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Designing a Movement (was: Ethics of whatever)
  • Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:23:33 -0400

thanks rafter and everyone,

i have to admit it is scary being name-called, even when it is actually your
own name!

one little quick thing inspired by rafter and that is at the heart of my
motivation for 'starting' all this.

This point about facists, self-identified racists, and other unsavory types
embracing "Permaculture" :

The way "we" communicate our current principles, (most often vaguely) leaves
plenty of room for them to be interpreted or misunderstood (or ignored) by
people who then take on the Permaculture "brand" for their own purposes.
At the heart of my original post, (i am being repetitive i know, sorry!) is
my perspective/contention that we would BENEFIT as a movement (or whatever
we are) by more clarity, by more detail etc. By doing this we clearly
exclude (which is ok imo) the white supremecist back-to-the (black peoples)
land-movement. Or, by adopting a "platform" (not realistic, i know) or
in some way communicating, say, support for the carbon-reparations language
worked out in cochabamba (see original thread) we are able to connect with
and support folks doing this work. Deepening our solidarity with others,
improving our own PR etc etc.

By being clearer, and more specific about what our principles are and are
not in practice, we are not limiting the potential of PC to spread, but are
in fact strengthening it.

thanks,

sorry for pissing folks off.
i wanna be friends, really i do!
kevin




re:
rafter sass rafter at liberationecology.org

Many heartfelt thanks to the folks who have been able to engage with the
challenges of this conversation without descending into
name-calling and other juvenilia.

...


Kevin Skvorak has Problems.


Two of them, for the purposes of this conversation. ;)

One of them is a Personal Problem - he seems to have contracted the modern
anarchist's allergy to leadership. The symptoms include putting critique
before curiosity.

I hope he works on this. I think he would be even more effective in raising
critical topics and questions if he did.

The other is NOT a Personal Problem. It's another kind of problem altogether
- a Movement Problem.


He wants to be a part of a movement that practices an engaged and ongoing
dialogue about its own ethics and strategy - and the actually-existing
Permaculture movement can't really be described this way. Not quite - not
yet.


What's standing in the way?
Well, a lot of the movement leadership seems to have contracted the classic
leader's malaise of allergy to critique.
Juvenile defensiveness, on the part of our teachers and public faces, is a
problem that is going to do us real harm, as a movement - if it isn't
mitigated.

Or maybe we all just need to get really good at gentle, soothing, critique,
so that we don't insult or frighten them when we have hard questions to ask.
;)
(And yes - I definitely respond better to that, too!)


And if that weren't enough, a lot of folks in the movement - along with most
everybody else in the world - don't have a great toolbox when it comes to
thinking about design and strategy at different scales. What does it even
mean to build a movement - or design one? We aren't well prepared to answer.
And we, of all movements, might want to think hard about the question.


I don't claim to know the answer, but I DO know that it requires more and
different tools than the ones we use to transform an individual, or
regenerate a landscape,
or organize a project, etc. etc.

Individual, project, community, movement, world...

The principles I use to guide my behavior and my relationships are related,
but distinct, from the ones that I bring to creating strategy for the
projects I work on.
The criteria I use to design my projects are related, but distinct from the
ones I use to understand and work with my community.

And the tools I use to engage and enliven my community are related, but
distinct from the ones that I use to build and strategize my movement.

So for me, arguments that we should go anywhere and teach Pc to anyone, for
anyone, because Pc is automagically transformative, are wrongheaded.

A good PDC might actually be able to transform anyone that takes it - but
that doesn't mean that teaching that class is good for the movement.
As Annie Pollock points out, greenwashing is real, and we are already
dealing with the challenges of the Permaculture label being applied to all
kinds of things we don't

want to be associated with.

We could go and teach a PDC at a whites-only Afrikaaner "ecovillage" like
Orania, and maybe it would have a profound impact on the people who took it.

But (1) most of us would be, shall we say, reluctant? for Pc to be seen as a
tool for building a racially pure Volkstaat, and (2) the Oranians already
identify with Permaculture, so I guess an ecological holistic worldview
WON'T necessarily guide someone out of an oppressive, ethnocentric social
vison.


Teaching Pc for, and to, white nationalists, would be bad for the movement.

(For more evidence that fascism and ecology can survive in the same brain,
look into Rudolph Steiner's theories on race. Or even more frightening,
search Stormfront.org for entries on Permaculture. Note: the point here is
to debunk oversimplified models of change, and magical thinking about
Permaculture education - not to compare the National Guard project to white
supremacy.)


And vice versa: what's bad for the individual or project can be good for the
movement. The lynching of civil rights movement workers James Chaney, Andrew
Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, in 1964, was a horrific tragedy for them,
their friends, and families - and a historic watershed for the civil rights
movement.


The point of these case studies is to say: we may not know how to design a
movement, but
it ain't entirely like designing a PDC.

We are called, by our commitments, ethics, and desires, to figure it out.
With each other.


OK, I'm actually supposed to be packing and moving right now, so I'm going
to cut this off.
What are we doing to do with this movement of ours?


all love, respect, and hard questions,
rafter




rafter sass
Liberation Ecology Project
liberationecology.org
518-567-7407
skype: raughter




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