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[Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>]

Larry,
 
That's some of the sweetest advice for backyard orchard culture I've ever 
seen.  Four varieties in one hole?  Ten to 12 weeks of harvesting, instead of 
2 or 3?  Why not throw a goumi in the middle to nurse the youngsters along 
and provide a quick fruit crop too!
 
I won't be able to sleep tonight...
 
Tripp



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, lbsaltzman@aol.com <lbsaltzman@aol.com> wrote:


From: lbsaltzman@aol.com <lbsaltzman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:16 PM


A couple of other thoughts. You can buy grafted fruit trees with 
multiple cultivars grafted on. So you can buy a peach with an early, 
mid and late season variety.  You can also dig a bigger hole and put 
three fruit trees in one hole.  Checkout 
http://davewilson.com/homegrown/advice/plant_trees.html for detailed 
instructions on how to do this.  Just scroll down the page and you will 
find the section.  Also somebody mentioned cherry trees. Minnie Royal 
and Royal Lee are now the champs of lowchill sweet cherries, but Lapins 
and Stella also work.

Larry Saltzman

-----Original Message-----
From: Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC

Stack functions, recycle system outputs in every way you can, and think 
in 4 dimensions.  Some people grow fine permaculture gardens on porches 
alone!
 
Did you watch Mollison's urban permaculture series?  Espaliered fruit 
trees can be used in a small space, and do double duty as a 
beautiful living fence.  As long as you're not squeemish about a little 
hortitorture!
 
Best of luck!



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com> wrote:


From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 8:26 PM


oh p.s.

After watching a couple of videos about this, I might use pots and 
planters
on the south facing front porch for my first year's exploration, (it's
shielded from the intense summer sun) in order to get some things going
straight away.  It's at least as big as the area I had planned to 
garden.  I
can then do the work on the space in the yard, allow it time to amend
itself, and then maybe plant in there next year.  I can use the walls 
for
trellises, and posts for poles....it could be fun!  Maybe just plant a 
tree
or two adjacent to the plot for now.  It's got good air circulation, and
would have perfect drainage.

What'cha think about that idea? (Am I being a chicken???  One video 
talked
about the difficulty of getting a garden started over building rubble.)

Thanks again for everything.
carolyn

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Tripp Tibbetts 
<slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>wrote:

> In only a 12' diameter space I'd have to agree with dward, that an 
herb
> spiral would be the way to go!  You could always add in some veggies 
too
> - bush beans/peas for N-fixation upslope of a heavy N feeder like 
broccoli,
> greens, or squash, with tomato or cukes hanging over the edge in the
> appropriate sun sector....
>
> So many options.  Do have fun with it, and post pictures!
>
> Tripp
>
>
>
> The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 5:50 PM
>
>
> Hi Dward,
>
> Moved here from MA.  It's very very very different here, and very 
lovely in
> its own way.
> I definitely want to grow herbs, so I'll check out the concept of herb
> spirals.
> No good place inside to grow sprouts.  I've got some cilantro growing 
in
> the
> window and it's very leggy.
> But, we have a very long growing season down here so I'm sure I can 
do some
> sprouting on the porch.
> Thanks for the idea.
>
> Carolyn
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:41 AM, dward Okun <dward.okun@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>
> > hi carolyn,
> >
> > dward here, from massachuetts. ive never been down to SC and i dont 
know
> > what it is like. when i read tht you had a small space i immediatly
> thought
> > herb spiral. herb spirals are a great way to save space , easy and 
cheap
> to
> > build, and very beautifull. also , with your seed coupon , if you 
have
> > extra
> > money left over you could get seeds for indoor sprouting, like 
whetgrass
> > and
> > buckwheat, mung, aduki. i just got into sprouting so im really 
excited
> > about
> > it. i hope all goes well with your project.
> >
> >
> > dward
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM, carolyn anderson 
<cschampagne@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > HI,
> > > I'm totally new to permaculture, although I've been peripherally 
aware
> of
> > > it
> > > for about 9 years.  I recently relocated to Charleston SC and 
want to
> > grow
> > > a
> > > veggie garden using permaculture.  I have limited space and 
resources,
> so
> > > it's important to me that I start small and make as few mistakes 
as
> > > possible. Can anyone refer me to a resource for learning where to 
begin
> > and
> > > how to proceed in coastal SC conditions?  I have a gift 
certificate
> from
> > an
> > > heirloom seed catalogue, and don't even know which varieties will 
do
> well
> > > here.  Thanks so much.  Carolyn
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jenny Nazak wrote:
> Lawrence, I am a huge fan of rocket stoves. As little fuel as they
need - just twigs - does Haiti have even that much wood locally available?

=====================================================================As Scott 
Pittman suggested, fuel-gas for cooking and water heating could
be supplied on a temporary basis, as the coppice woodlots are reaching
harvestable stage. Better yet, if a multi-fuel/multi-gas burner could be
used in the rocket stove, or a similar fuel-efficient stove, then they
could use butane for while then switch to methane from humanure. Haiti
could become a grand testbed for all types of renewable energy,
horticulture, permaculture and natural farming and gardening ventures.
Remember the earlier post about the site in Africa that collects
humanure from an array of johnnyhouses feeding a central collection and
digester facility, producing methane for cooking. I have seen the
website for this particular project. Its for real.
=====================================================================
> The task would be to find fast-growing coppiceable fuelwood species
for the region. Anyone know which trees fit this bill? First place to
look would be Dominican Republic: right next door, and hasn't been
deforested as Haiti has.

=====================================================================That 
would be a good plan to follow.
=====================================================================
> And while those trees are being grown, the locals need an interim
supply of sticks to fuel those wonderful, high-efficiency, low-emission
rocket stoves.

=====================================================================I think 
the humanure/methane conversion units could be quickly built
in an array of sites covering the country.

1) modified porta-potties on a large platform covering
2) a large humanure collection/digestion tank(s) (drop from toilet
directly into tank(s)) just like an outhouse, into a pit
3) gas collection apparatus/filtration unit/pump would be able to fill
pressurized cylinders for distribution to households and individuals and
families in refugee camps - have the system set up to pump methane gas
on demand (as it is generated) into banks of cylinders (as one is filled
it is taken offline and is replaced with an empty cylinder from the bank)

Invent a gas burning "rocket stove" that can burn butane, propane (kinda
nasty fumes) and methane.

Obviously, the wood burning rocket stoves would be safer to use and more
easily adapted to multipurpose use than the gas burning units.

Could Cubaaaaaa or the Dominican Repiblic be counted on to provide
quantities of wood (twigs, compressed packets of grass or other dried
weeds) for the stoves on a temporary basis.

What do you think?