permaculture

[Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>]

Larry Saltzman said:
 
"Also somebody mentioned cherry trees. Minnie Royal 
and Royal Lee are now the champs of lowchill sweet cherries, but Lapins 
and Stella also work."
 
Was just checking out these varieties, and the description says:
Best adapted to areas where summers are moderately cool; dislike high 
humidity.  
 
Which unfortunately isn't Macon, GA, or Charleston, SC...the search 
continues.  Although they could be worth a shot; they only require about 250 
chill hours.  Life without cherries sounds empty to me...
 
Tripp out.



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, lbsaltzman@aol.com <lbsaltzman@aol.com> wrote:


From: lbsaltzman@aol.com <lbsaltzman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:16 PM


A couple of other thoughts. You can buy grafted fruit trees with 
multiple cultivars grafted on. So you can buy a peach with an early, 
mid and late season variety.  You can also dig a bigger hole and put 
three fruit trees in one hole.  Checkout 
http://davewilson.com/homegrown/advice/plant_trees.html for detailed 
instructions on how to do this.  Just scroll down the page and you will 
find the section.  Also somebody mentioned cherry trees. Minnie Royal 
and Royal Lee are now the champs of lowchill sweet cherries, but Lapins 
and Stella also work.

Larry Saltzman

-----Original Message-----
From: Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC

Stack functions, recycle system outputs in every way you can, and think 
in 4 dimensions.  Some people grow fine permaculture gardens on porches 
alone!
 
Did you watch Mollison's urban permaculture series?  Espaliered fruit 
trees can be used in a small space, and do double duty as a 
beautiful living fence.  As long as you're not squeemish about a little 
hortitorture!
 
Best of luck!



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com> wrote:


From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 8:26 PM


oh p.s.

After watching a couple of videos about this, I might use pots and 
planters
on the south facing front porch for my first year's exploration, (it's
shielded from the intense summer sun) in order to get some things going
straight away.  It's at least as big as the area I had planned to 
garden.  I
can then do the work on the space in the yard, allow it time to amend
itself, and then maybe plant in there next year.  I can use the walls 
for
trellises, and posts for poles....it could be fun!  Maybe just plant a 
tree
or two adjacent to the plot for now.  It's got good air circulation, and
would have perfect drainage.

What'cha think about that idea? (Am I being a chicken???  One video 
talked
about the difficulty of getting a garden started over building rubble.)

Thanks again for everything.
carolyn

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Tripp Tibbetts 
<slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>wrote:

> In only a 12' diameter space I'd have to agree with dward, that an 
herb
> spiral would be the way to go!  You could always add in some veggies 
too
> - bush beans/peas for N-fixation upslope of a heavy N feeder like 
broccoli,
> greens, or squash, with tomato or cukes hanging over the edge in the
> appropriate sun sector....
>
> So many options.  Do have fun with it, and post pictures!
>
> Tripp
>
>
>
> The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 5:50 PM
>
>
> Hi Dward,
>
> Moved here from MA.  It's very very very different here, and very 
lovely in
> its own way.
> I definitely want to grow herbs, so I'll check out the concept of herb
> spirals.
> No good place inside to grow sprouts.  I've got some cilantro growing 
in
> the
> window and it's very leggy.
> But, we have a very long growing season down here so I'm sure I can 
do some
> sprouting on the porch.
> Thanks for the idea.
>
> Carolyn
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:41 AM, dward Okun <dward.okun@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>
> > hi carolyn,
> >
> > dward here, from massachuetts. ive never been down to SC and i dont 
know
> > what it is like. when i read tht you had a small space i immediatly
> thought
> > herb spiral. herb spirals are a great way to save space , easy and 
cheap
> to
> > build, and very beautifull. also , with your seed coupon , if you 
have
> > extra
> > money left over you could get seeds for indoor sprouting, like 
whetgrass
> > and
> > buckwheat, mung, aduki. i just got into sprouting so im really 
excited
> > about
> > it. i hope all goes well with your project.
> >
> >
> > dward
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM, carolyn anderson 
<cschampagne@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > HI,
> > > I'm totally new to permaculture, although I've been peripherally 
aware
> of
> > > it
> > > for about 9 years.  I recently relocated to Charleston SC and 
want to
> > grow
> > > a
> > > veggie garden using permaculture.  I have limited space and 
resources,
> so
> > > it's important to me that I start small and make as few mistakes 
as
> > > possible. Can anyone refer me to a resource for learning where to 
begin
> > and
> > > how to proceed in coastal SC conditions?  I have a gift 
certificate
> from
> > an
> > > heirloom seed catalogue, and don't even know which varieties will 
do
> well
> > > here.  Thanks so much.  Carolyn
> > > _______________________________________________
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We do get local cherries here, I think, so there must be a variety that can
sustain the heat and humidity of Charleston summers where July-Sept temps
settle in the 90s with intense humidity.
Thanks for the research.
Very helpful.

Where do you find information on this?  Is there a Sunset Garden book for
the Southeast?
I love the ones I've used in CA and MA.  Such good info, but wasn't doing
permaculture there.

Shew.  I have so much to learn!!!!!





On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Larry Saltzman said:
>
> "Also somebody mentioned cherry trees. Minnie Royal
> and Royal Lee are now the champs of lowchill sweet cherries, but Lapins
> and Stella also work."
>
> Was just checking out these varieties, and the description says:
> Best adapted to areas where summers are moderately cool; dislike high
> humidity.
>
> Which unfortunately isn't Macon, GA, or Charleston, SC...the search
> continues.  Although they could be worth a shot; they only require about 250
> chill hours.  Life without cherries sounds empty to me...
>
> Tripp out.
>
>
>
> The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, lbsaltzman@aol.com <lbsaltzman@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: lbsaltzman@aol.com <lbsaltzman@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:16 PM
>
>
> A couple of other thoughts. You can buy grafted fruit trees with
> multiple cultivars grafted on. So you can buy a peach with an early,
> mid and late season variety.  You can also dig a bigger hole and put
> three fruit trees in one hole.  Checkout
> http://davewilson.com/homegrown/advice/plant_trees.html for detailed
> instructions on how to do this.  Just scroll down the page and you will
> find the section.  Also somebody mentioned cherry trees. Minnie Royal
> and Royal Lee are now the champs of lowchill sweet cherries, but Lapins
> and Stella also work.
>
> Larry Saltzman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
>
> Stack functions, recycle system outputs in every way you can, and think
> in 4 dimensions.  Some people grow fine permaculture gardens on porches
> alone!
>
> Did you watch Mollison's urban permaculture series?  Espaliered fruit
> trees can be used in a small space, and do double duty as a
> beautiful living fence.  As long as you're not squeemish about a little
> hortitorture!
>
> Best of luck!
>
>
>
> The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 8:26 PM
>
>
> oh p.s.
>
> After watching a couple of videos about this, I might use pots and
> planters
> on the south facing front porch for my first year's exploration, (it's
> shielded from the intense summer sun) in order to get some things going
> straight away.  It's at least as big as the area I had planned to
> garden.  I
> can then do the work on the space in the yard, allow it time to amend
> itself, and then maybe plant in there next year.  I can use the walls
> for
> trellises, and posts for poles....it could be fun!  Maybe just plant a
> tree
> or two adjacent to the plot for now.  It's got good air circulation, and
> would have perfect drainage.
>
> What'cha think about that idea? (Am I being a chicken???  One video
> talked
> about the difficulty of getting a garden started over building rubble.)
>
> Thanks again for everything.
> carolyn
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Tripp Tibbetts
> <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > In only a 12' diameter space I'd have to agree with dward, that an
> herb
> > spiral would be the way to go!  You could always add in some veggies
> too
> > - bush beans/peas for N-fixation upslope of a heavy N feeder like
> broccoli,
> > greens, or squash, with tomato or cukes hanging over the edge in the
> > appropriate sun sector....
> >
> > So many options.  Do have fun with it, and post pictures!
> >
> > Tripp
> >
> >
> >
> > The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
> > -Chinese proverb
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture in Coastal SC
> > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 5:50 PM
> >
> >
> > Hi Dward,
> >
> > Moved here from MA.  It's very very very different here, and very
> lovely in
> > its own way.
> > I definitely want to grow herbs, so I'll check out the concept of herb
> > spirals.
> > No good place inside to grow sprouts.  I've got some cilantro growing
> in
> > the
> > window and it's very leggy.
> > But, we have a very long growing season down here so I'm sure I can
> do some
> > sprouting on the porch.
> > Thanks for the idea.
> >
> > Carolyn
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:41 AM, dward Okun <dward.okun@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > hi carolyn,
> > >
> > > dward here, from massachuetts. ive never been down to SC and i dont
> know
> > > what it is like. when i read tht you had a small space i immediatly
> > thought
> > > herb spiral. herb spirals are a great way to save space , easy and
> cheap
> > to
> > > build, and very beautifull. also , with your seed coupon , if you
> have
> > > extra
> > > money left over you could get seeds for indoor sprouting, like
> whetgrass
> > > and
> > > buckwheat, mung, aduki. i just got into sprouting so im really
> excited
> > > about
> > > it. i hope all goes well with your project.
> > >
> > >
> > > dward
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM, carolyn anderson
> <cschampagne@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > HI,
> > > > I'm totally new to permaculture, although I've been peripherally
> aware
> > of
> > > > it
> > > > for about 9 years.  I recently relocated to Charleston SC and
> want to
> > > grow
> > > > a
> > > > veggie garden using permaculture.  I have limited space and
> resources,
> > so
> > > > it's important to me that I start small and make as few mistakes
> as
> > > > possible. Can anyone refer me to a resource for learning where to
> begin
> > > and
> > > > how to proceed in coastal SC conditions?  I have a gift
> certificate
> > from
> > > an
> > > > heirloom seed catalogue, and don't even know which varieties will
> do
> > well
> > > > here.  Thanks so much.  Carolyn
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > permaculture mailing list
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