permaculture

[Jody Troupe <jodyt2@mac.com>]

Permaculture group-

My apologies to the list for submitting this topic at all. I'd intended 
it for interests sake,
not for debate, or to convert people to my way of thinking.


Jody Troupe




On May 13, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Patrick McKown wrote:

> Jody,
>
> Certainly information is digested by the human mind by a number of 
> avenues. Guts being one of
> them. Intuitive 'reasoning'. This kind of awareness in not always 
> conscious. We might get glimpses
> of it and from that get some insights which we might try to 
> rationalize consciously as unique and
> extraordinary,  but they are not always the best choice. It really 
> depends more on the subject
> matter and the real costs. Which rarely shows itself up front 
> completely, but in most cases there
> is enough examples by experience of others to offer some likely 
> outcomes. Life does not have to be
> totally interpreted totally in the raw. The closest we come to it is 
> at birth, when our instincts
> function in the foreground, fighting for a place to survive.
>
> Midwives were burned at the stake because, male doctors had a gut 
> feeling that they were witches
> and appealed to enough other people to associate this as a truth, 
> after all they had guts too.
> Enough midwives were eliminated from managing childbirth, leaving a 
> vacuum for the male dominated
> medical community to attend to the deaths of women as they increased 
> at childbirth. These facts
> did not change the course of history to something more rational and 
> practical like the previous
> plan, where women were in control of the birthing process. Many women 
> and children died needlessly
> and it is entirely possible that many on this list including ourselves 
> would not be here if
> midwives did not get burnt at the stake.
>
> If truth for you comes from the filter of your guts, then who is 
> benefiting from these kinds of
> extra-ordinary claims. How could you suppose that their extraordinary 
> visions are valid? How do
> you test it? When you live always at the edge of the future?
>
> I am not convinced that the future has any form beyond your next heart 
> beat. Our abilities from
> our common five senses are
> dysfunctional enough for this man made world, not to be considered 
> reliable in rendering 'truth'
> which changes in the eyes of the beholder.
>
> If anything is close to truth about the natural world it is deceit, 
> which gives advantage to
> minorities and eventually allows them to become majorities.
>
> Pat McKown