permaculture

["Clare Sierawski" <claresophia@gmail.com>]

I meant to include: This is not to say that there are definitely things we
still don't understand and that there may be other reasons why there is oil
in the earth or the oceans are warming. It's just the relationship between
greenhouse gases and climate change that I hope people are not debating.
There are still many things we don't understand well enough.

On 4/10/07, Clare Sierawski <claresophia@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you so much for your explanation Mr Saltzman!
>
> I couldn't believe the things people were writing about this when there is
> so much proven information out there about climate change and its causes.
> Thank you for taking the time to respond - I was in too much disbelief at
> what people were writing to respond myself.
>
> Sincerely,
> Clare Sierawski
>
>
>  On 4/10/07, lbsaltzman@aol.com <lbsaltzman@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Solar activity is not the cause of global warming, extremely credible
> > scientists publishing in peer reviewed journals have totally discredited
> > that theory based on hard evidence.  Friction of the tectonic plates is not
> > the problem, there is absolutely no evidence to support that theory either.
> > We are currently experiencing anthropogenic global warming caused primarily
> > by the burning of fossil fuels, though are mistreatment of the rain forests,
> > and other ecological stupidities won't make things better.  Since the start
> > of the industrial revolution, we have collectively burned 1 trillion barrels
> > of oil and an staggering amount of coal.  The traces of that folly can be
> > measured in the atmosphere. The decay rate of the isotopes of CO2, C12, C13,
> > and C14, are well known. By studying the concentration of those isotopes in
> > the atmosphere, including the ratios between them, it has been possible to
> > determine accurately that the source of most of the extra CO2 in the
> > atmosphere is from
> > fossil fuels.
> >
> > There is a massive amount of evidence accumulated over decades of
> > research by climate change scientists from all over the world proving the
> > case for anthropogenic global warming.  If you want to start getting an
> > education as to the depth of the evidence, my favorite site is
> > www.realclimate.org. Real Climate is run by scientists who are climate
> > change experts and publish regularly in major peer reviewed scientific
> > journals.  Real Climate in turn, has links to most of the other important
> > sites that disseminate solid scientific information on the subject.
> >
> > I don't think we need to be re-hashing discredited and unproven theories
> > on this forum, in the face of this weight of scientific evidence, and the
> > seriousness of the crisis.  I would suggest that our time is better spent in
> > figuring out how Permaculture contributes to the solution of the problem as
> > time is seriously running out.
> >
> > Larry Saltzman
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: semaley@yahoo.com
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 7:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] GLOBAL WARMING:- A different 'take' on it
> >
> >
> > ... and I've heard solar activity was to blame, citing global warming on
> > Mars
> > and other planets and their satellites (with Venus suspiciously
> > cooling).
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
> >
> > There are many "scientists" out there "debunking" Global Warming
> > "speculation".
> > Some of them sound more plausible than others.  What concerns me has
> > been the
> > blatant propaganda (if the inventor of the internet says it, there must
> > be
> > something wrong about it).  Having these theories out there, even if you
> > are
> > trying to be funny, only makes it more difficult to get the points
> > across to
> > deluded family members and friends.  It may be funny to hear a
> > politician make a
> > fool of themselves, but not if you now have the same bunk to deal with
> > closer to
> > home.
> >
> >
> > -Sean.
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: roxann <roxann@ancientearthwisdom.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:10:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] GLOBAL WARMING:- A different 'take' on it
> >
> > my own theory, which is related to that one, and which may be totally
> > wrong, is
> > that the oil is in the earth for a reason. is it totally implausible to
> > think
> > that it acts as a lubricant for the shifting earth plates? seems to me
> > that when
> > our engines run low on oil, friction results and heat builds. it doesn't
> > seem
> > all that far fetched to apply the same line of thought to our earth's
> > moving
> > parts.
> >
> > roxann
> > http://blog.ancientearthwisdom.com
> >
> >
> > >  -------Original Message-------
> > >  From: Jody Troupe < jodyt2@mac.com>
> > >  Subject: Re: [permaculture] GLOBAL WARMING:- A different 'take' on it
> > >  Sent: 10 Apr '07 09:35
> > >
> > >  Hello everyone-
> > >
> > >  I don't have a lot of info on this, but I've found a completely
> > different
> > theory as well. I'm trying to research it now.
> > >
> > >  The earths core is warming, and that is what is warming the oceans.
> > The
> > plates are shifting which is revealing decomposing material & releasing
> > gasses
> > (many reports in the news about gas alarms being set off on ships and
> > there
> > being no gas leak, birds suddenly dying en masse). The warmed oceans
> > affect the
> > weather...
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