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[lbsaltzman@aol.com]

Solar activity is not the cause of global warming, extremely credible 
scientists publishing in peer reviewed journals have totally discredited that 
theory based on hard evidence.  Friction of the tectonic plates is not the 
problem, there is absolutely no evidence to support that theory either. We 
are currently experiencing anthropogenic global warming caused primarily by 
the burning of fossil fuels, though are mistreatment of the rain forests, and 
other ecological stupidities won't make things better.  Since the start of 
the industrial revolution, we have collectively burned 1 trillion barrels of 
oil and an staggering amount of coal.  The traces of that folly can be 
measured in the atmosphere. The decay rate of the isotopes of CO2, C12, C13, 
and C14, are well known. By studying the concentration of those isotopes in 
the atmosphere, including the ratios between them, it has been possible to 
determine accurately that the source of most of the extra CO2 in the 
atmosphere is from fossil fuels. 
 
There is a massive amount of evidence accumulated over decades of research by 
climate change scientists from all over the world proving the case for 
anthropogenic global warming.  If you want to start getting an education as 
to the depth of the evidence, my favorite site is www.realclimate.org. Real 
Climate is run by scientists who are climate change experts and publish 
regularly in major peer reviewed scientific journals.  Real Climate in turn, 
has links to most of the other important sites that disseminate solid 
scientific information on the subject. 
 
I don't think we need to be re-hashing discredited and unproven theories on 
this forum, in the face of this weight of scientific evidence, and the 
seriousness of the crisis.  I would suggest that our time is better spent in 
figuring out how Permaculture contributes to the solution of the problem as 
time is seriously running out.
 
Larry Saltzman
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: semaley@yahoo.com
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] GLOBAL WARMING:- A different 'take' on it


... and I've heard solar activity was to blame, citing global warming on Mars 
and other planets and their satellites (with Venus suspiciously cooling).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

There are many "scientists" out there "debunking" Global Warming 
"speculation".  
Some of them sound more plausible than others.  What concerns me has been the 
blatant propaganda (if the inventor of the internet says it, there must be 
something wrong about it).  Having these theories out there, even if you are 
trying to be funny, only makes it more difficult to get the points across to 
deluded family members and friends.  It may be funny to hear a politician 
make a 
fool of themselves, but not if you now have the same bunk to deal with closer 
to 
home.


-Sean.
----- Original Message ----
From: roxann <roxann@ancientearthwisdom.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] GLOBAL WARMING:- A different 'take' on it

my own theory, which is related to that one, and which may be totally wrong, 
is 
that the oil is in the earth for a reason. is it totally implausible to think 
that it acts as a lubricant for the shifting earth plates? seems to me that 
when 
our engines run low on oil, friction results and heat builds. it doesn't seem 
all that far fetched to apply the same line of thought to our earth's moving 
parts. 

roxann
http://blog.ancientearthwisdom.com


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Jody Troupe <jodyt2@mac.com>
>  Subject: Re: [permaculture] GLOBAL WARMING:- A different 'take' on it
>  Sent: 10 Apr '07 09:35
>  
>  Hello everyone-
>  
>  I don't have a lot of info on this, but I've found a completely different 
theory as well. I'm trying to research it now.
>  
>  The earths core is warming, and that is what is warming the oceans. The 
plates are shifting which is revealing decomposing material & releasing 
gasses 
(many reports in the news about gas alarms being set off on ships and there 
being no gas leak, birds suddenly dying en masse). The warmed oceans affect 
the 
weather...
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