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["Lisa Rollens" <rollens@fidnet.com>]

Roxann,

I have been dealing with the cedar-apple rust thing too.  (For you others, I
am in the MO Ozarks.)  You will not be able to get rid of enough cedar trees
to keep the cedar apple rust away, unless you cut every one on the
mountainside.  I planted a bunch of apple trees this year and chose all
resistant varieties.  There were 2 apple trees in the yard when I moved
here.  One is a golden delicious and all the leaves turned got the rust
spots, turned yellow and dropped prematurely from the cedar-apple rust.  The
other is a red delicious, I think, and not affected at all.  They look
terrible when they are covered with the rust, too, so I just opted to go for
resistant varieties. Altho the apples on these two older trees were buggy,
the ones on the yellow delicious were stunted and totally worthless, except
as feed for sheep and horses.

The osage orange thing sounds neat.  I, too, need a bunch of fences to make
use of some of this grass.  The previous owner let cattle all over and they
really broke down the creek banks.  Lots to do here, too!!!!  Lisa


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roxann Phillips" <roxann@ancientearthwisdom.com>
To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:54 AM
Subject: [permaculture] fence posts


> The land is an old abandoned farm in the Ozarks.  Osage grows around
> there, but I haven't found one on my property yet.  I can get seeds
> easily enough, and from your description, it sounds like a good tree to
> use.  Other trees that grow easily there are black walnut, cedar,
> persimmon, hickory, sycamore.  I know someone who made a furrow and
> dropped walnuts, husk and all, and they are coming along nicely now,
> too.  I wanted to take out the cedars, using them in our house and
> outbuildings, because I have heard they carry a disease that will affect
> the apple trees.  Does anyone know whether apples will grow happily in
> the same area with cedars?  This old farm is very overgrown and needs
> LOTS of work to get it producing again.  I'm trying to use permaculture
> techniques for the most part in the restructuring.
>
> I have the rest of my life to see results, I guess :)  But it needs to
> start producing income within a couple years!
>
> Thanks,
> Roxann
>
>
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