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  • From: Scott Pittman <pci@permaculture-inst.org>
  • To: pcplantdb@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [pcplantdb] synthesis[20][9.8.04]
  • Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:58:15 -0600

Stephanie Gerson wrote:

Apologies, Lawrence, but I still disagree. We are all very busy with our
roles in this project, and it would be helpful if you alone were in charge of
requests to the list.

If people understand the purpose of the list and want to join, the ought to be
allowed to. What do others think?


I disagree, in time it will certainly be appropriate, right now I think it would seed confusion and distraction. If they have db or plant skillls that are necessary for the construction of the db I would invite them, but I don't think now is the time for neophytes. We have a hard time making decisions with our small group, I can't imagine what it would be like with fifty or a hundred!!

As for the mission statements, YES they must be updated:

--"permacultureinfo
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permacultureinfo
The purpose of this forum is to help individuals, groups and organizations
promote and develop information resources on permaculture. This includes
books, magazines, journals, bulletins and pamphlets, hardcopy and
electronic,as well as websites, mailing lists, databases, weblogs, wikis and
content management systems."

IMHO (aren't you proud of my acronym?), this is inaccurate. As I mentioned
before (do you read my posts, Lawrence?) this is *way* too broad and does not
capture the specific scope of our project. I would recommend: "This is the
public forum for the Permaculture Information Web, a project seeking to create
a Permaculture-centric database of relationships between plants. People
wishing to contribute informational content or ideas regarding the structure
of the database are encouraged to subscribe! More details about the project
may be found at www.permaculture.info." ***Can others on this list please
respond to this recommendation?***

I agree with Stephanie, my understanding from the beginning was that we were about identifying plant guilds, which has been an ongoing principal of pc without much backup. I know of about ten guilds, and I doubt that many more have been identified and studied. I know the knowledge exists but the concept hasn't been put to enough people to gain acceptance or exploration. I want to invite the many Russian botanists I know to participate once we have a clear understanding of how we are going to configure the db, and the information we are looking for.

To add the whole pc tool kit to this db, at this time, is like an ill concieved garage sale.

This is not descriptive enough. I would say: "This is the technical and
logistics-oriented forum for the Permaculture Information Web, a project
seeking to create a Permaculture-centric database of relationships between
plants. People wanting to involve themselves with the technical and
logistical aspects of this project are encouraged to subscribe to this
few-member yet high-traffic list. People wanting to involve themselves with
the informational content and more general design aspects of the project
should consider subscribing to the pcinfo list instead [and give a link].

ONce again I disagree - see comments above.


More details about the project may be found at www.permaculture.info."

If these statements need to be shorter, cut out the extra info (on the
permaculture.info website) - but we have to be clear about how these listservs
differ. And to be honest, I am unclear about the 2nd and 3rd that you
mentioned.

Lawrence and all - please heed my words. I DO NOT (sorry about the caps, but
I'm trying to emphasize my point) want the pcplantdb, pcinfo, or Permaculture
Information Web to become yet another mishmash of Permie resources and info.
Mishmash = Garage Sale in my mind, see above

Scott




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