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  • From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
  • To: pcplantdb@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [pcplantdb] synthesis[20][9.8.04]
  • Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:03:58 -0700

Stephanie Gerson wrote:

Apologies, Lawrence, but I still disagree. We are all very busy with our
roles in this project, and it would be helpful if you alone were in charge of
requests to the list.

I'll repeat what I said before:

Requests to join this list are rare. This is because I have not advertised it
and neither
has anyone else. I thought this group wanted to limit access to this forum to
those actively
involved or supportive of the project. It seems I have heard that said here
frequently
and that this is a technical development forum.

If people understand the purpose of the list and want to join, the ought to be
allowed to. What do others think?

As for the mission statements, YES they must be updated:

--"permacultureinfo
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permacultureinfo
The purpose of this forum is to help individuals, groups and organizations
promote and develop information resources on permaculture. This includes
books, magazines, journals, bulletins and pamphlets, hardcopy and
electronic,as well as websites, mailing lists, databases, weblogs, wikis and
content management systems."

This will stand as is. It will serve a supportive role for PIW by helping
people develop
and promote their information resources and make them Web-ready. It is for
PIW people and
others working on similar projects, especially those wanting to be part of an
Open Permaculture Project extranet.

These lists: permaculture, pc-knowledgebase, permacultureinfo and
openpermaculture
will all be linked to their own webspace and wikispace. I hope that having
resources
in these locations will make them more accessable to the PIW DB, launch-ready
for inclusion in the DB
using a variety of methods.

Some weblogs and wikis offer RSS feeds (I still need a definition of that
term but I have a general idea what it means);
is this a format the DB software can use to import data "automagically"?

I would recommend: "This is the
public forum for the Permaculture Information Web, a project seeking to create
a Permaculture-centric database of relationships between plants. People
wishing to contribute informational content or ideas regarding the structure
of the database are encouraged to subscribe! More details about the project
may be found at www.permaculture.info." ***Can others on this list please
respond to this recommendation?***

Obviously a mailing list for PIW should be named piw.

When you are ready to go public with an announcement of PIW, posted to lists
and elsewhere then
this mission statement for a PIW public forum will be appropriate (remember,
you asked that noone make any
announcement of PIW without clearing it with this group and that you wanted
to be PIW PR person?)
At that time I will create a new list for this purpose: piw,
piw@lists.ibiblio.org. piw is
a much better name for our public forum than permacultureinfo (which partly
reflects our domain name only).
The permacultureinfo list is needed for discussion about permaculture
information management and will be used by others besides PIW,
same with openpermaculture and pc-knowledgebase. pcplantdb@ and piw@ will be
the PIW lists and more can be added if needed.

So, do you/the group want this technical forum, pcplantdb, open to the public for subscription without approval? If so you need to write a proper statement of purpose for it to appear in the list's homepage and in the welcome message sent to new subscribers? I'll set it up this way if that is what everyone wants. [I see you've written something for this list so I'll add it to the pcplantdb homepage).

As for the piw list, should I have that created now? If so I will need a statement of purpose for it and you will need to write an announcement and post it to various lists. Do you want to announce the piw forum before you make a formal public announcement of
PIW/permaculture.info?

--"openpermaculture
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/openpermaculture
The openpermaculture list is the forum for The Open Permaculture Project,
a global extranet of practitioners participating in developing a permaculture
knowledgebase."

Is this Bear's project? What is this? I'm confused.

Its my project, a global extranet of permaculture people. The term open permaculture is in general use. We have discussed it here a number of times partly as a name for our project and as a global extranet of people involved in all aspects of permaculture who will be part of our
project in one way or another and/or as part of a distributed database, a
concept that Rich suggested.

--pc-knowledgebase
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pc-knowledgebase
A forum for the exchange and archiving of information about permaculture,
scientific,
indigenous and anecdotal.

I assume this is your thang, Lawrence, am I correct? So the mission statement
is up to you.


--pcplantdb
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pcplantdb
Permaculture Information Web,
http://www.permaculture.info
Database Technical Development Mailing List

This is not descriptive enough. I would say: "This is the technical and
logistics-oriented forum for the Permaculture Information Web, a project
seeking to create a Permaculture-centric database of relationships between
plants. People wanting to involve themselves with the technical and
logistical aspects of this project are encouraged to subscribe to this
few-member yet high-traffic list. People wanting to involve themselves with
the informational content and more general design aspects of the project
should consider subscribing to the pcinfo list instead [and give a link]. More details about the project may be found at www.permaculture.info."

Thisis what I will put in the pcplantdb homepage. Let me know if the piw list
is to be created now
or later.

"This is the technical and logistics-oriented forum for the Permaculture
Information Web, a project
seeking to create a Permaculture-centric database of relationships between
plants. People wanting to involve themselves with the technical and
logistical aspects of this project are encouraged to subscribe to this
few-member yet high-traffic list. People wanting to involve themselves with
the informational content and more general design aspects of the project
should consider subscribing to the piw list instead,
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/piw.
More details about the project may be found at www.permaculture.info."


If these statements need to be shorter, cut out the extra info (on the
permaculture.info website) - but we have to be clear about how these listservs
differ. And to be honest, I am unclear about the 2nd and 3rd that you
mentioned.

Read the mission statements and it will be clear to you.

Lawrence and all - please heed my words. I DO NOT (sorry about the caps, but
I'm trying to emphasize my point) want the pcplantdb, pcinfo
(piw)
, or Permaculture
Information Web to become yet another mishmash of Permie resources and info.

That is up to you and everyone else. I think it is generally understood that
PIW is primarily a Database and
a portal to other permaculture people and their resources on the Web.

Valuable as they may be, that is NOT what this project is about. PIW might,

See above.

of course, involve all aspects of Permaculture in the future - but for now, it
is about relationships between plants.

We have known that from the beginning.

--
L.F.London
lfl@intrex.net
http://market-farming.com
http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech




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