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[Mary Yett <yettmw@gmail.com>]

I would like to participate in that project. I am going to try and grow
some King Red from seed anyway. I live on Manitoulin Island in Lake Huron,
so we have a maritime climate, with slightly warmer winters  ( min temp -32
C) than is typical for our latitude and coolish summers. Some summers are
bone dry and some ( like last year) are soggy. We are Canadian climate zone
4b.Obviously I will need to grow out seedlings in a very well drained
location.



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think we all want to try growing King Red now. Why don't we get a
> quantity of seed/fruits and have a lot of us grow them, and maybe out of
> the batch, there will be some that tolerate a wider range of growing
> conditions. At the very least, combining all our experiences, we'd have
> better insight into what kinds of conditions the plants likes and dislikes.
>
> Anyone interested?
>
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
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>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
>
> > I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm
> guessing that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to
> try it now.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity).
> >
> >> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it
> puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm
> wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be
> dried jujube.
> >>
> >> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
> >> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit
> Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
> >>
> >> Hi Hector,
> >>
> >> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde
> from Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good,
> for nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have
> saved and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get
> there each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early
> August.
> >>
> >> Lee
> >> Lee Reich, PhD
> >> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>
> >> Books by Lee Reich:
> >> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >> The Pruning Book
> >> Weedless Gardening
> >> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Lee,
> >>>     We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it
> eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at Amherst.
>  I remember it from student days and it was still there, near the
> greenhouses when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  Really a
> beautiful plant.  Never thought much of the dried berries on the market in
> Turkey. I thought the problem with growing in this area was humidity which
> encouraged fungus diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Lee Reich
> >>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
> >>>
> >>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the
> world. Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its
> red fruits and silvery grey leaves.
> >>>
> >>> Lee
> >>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>
> >>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>> The Pruning Book
> >>> Weedless Gardening
> >>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It
> thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.
>  It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
> >>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Jim,
> >>>>
> >>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you
> for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never germinated.
> >>>>
> >>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not
> germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were
> nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out of
> their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds like
> you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too closely
> about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
> >>>>
> >>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free.
> Whenever I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before
> the end of their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also
> noted.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lee
> >>>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>>> The Pruning Book
> >>>> Weedless Gardening
> >>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian
> Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds
> from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that of
> apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard.  I
> haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical snow cover
> should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and
> from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some nice
> pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased
> from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem with
> die-back but growth has been steady.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but
> growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take Care,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Elie
> >>>>> Green Bay WI
> >>>>> z4/5
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
> >>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian
> Olive to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems
> keeping King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - don't
> know whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think the King Red
> finally failed this fall.
> >>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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