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[Lori Rizzo <rizzolori1@gmail.com>]

I'm interested - I just had my offer accepted on a home in Mansfield, MA and 
of everything goes well I'll be starting my mini-orchard on my 1.4 acre plot. 
I'm hoping to have a good variety of heirlooms so plan to peruse my NAFEX 
archives soon.

Lori
Was TN now MA

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On Mar 20, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think we all want to try growing King Red now. Why don't we get a 
> quantity of seed/fruits and have a lot of us grow them, and maybe out of 
> the batch, there will be some that tolerate a wider range of growing 
> conditions. At the very least, combining all our experiences, we'd have 
> better insight into what kinds of conditions the plants likes and dislikes.
> 
> Anyone interested?
> 
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
> 
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
> 
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
> 
>> I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm guessing 
>> that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to try it 
>> now. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity). 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it 
>>> puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm 
>>> wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be 
>>> dried jujube.
>>> 
>>> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
>>> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit 
>>> Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
>>> 
>>> Hi Hector,
>>> 
>>> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde from 
>>> Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good, for 
>>> nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have saved 
>>> and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get there 
>>> each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early 
>>> August.
>>> 
>>> Lee
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>> 
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Lee,
>>>>    We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it 
>>>> eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at 
>>>> Amherst.  I remember it from student days and it was still there, near 
>>>> the greenhouses when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  
>>>> Really a beautiful plant.  Never thought much of the dried berries on 
>>>> the market in Turkey. I thought the problem with growing in this area 
>>>> was humidity which encouraged fungus diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 
>>>> middle tn
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Lee Reich
>>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>>> 
>>>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the world. 
>>>> Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its red 
>>>> fruits and silvery grey leaves.
>>>> 
>>>> Lee
>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>> 
>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It 
>>>>> thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some 
>>>>> sort.  It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into 
>>>>> decline.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jim, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you 
>>>>> for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never 
>>>>> germinated. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not 
>>>>> germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they 
>>>>> were nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, 
>>>>> cracked out of their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out 
>>>>> inhibitors. Sounds like you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I 
>>>>> read my own book too closely about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free. Whenever 
>>>>> I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end 
>>>>> of their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lee
>>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian 
>>>>>> Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis 
>>>>>> seeds from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close 
>>>>>> to that of apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in 
>>>>>> the yard.  I haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our 
>>>>>> typical snow cover should get them through the winter if the mice 
>>>>>> leave them alone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and 
>>>>>> from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some 
>>>>>> nice pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased 
>>>>>> from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem 
>>>>>> with die-back but growth has been steady.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but 
>>>>>> growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim Elie
>>>>>> Green Bay WI
>>>>>> z4/5
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
>>>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian Olive 
>>>>>>> to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems 
>>>>>>> keeping King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - 
>>>>>>> don't know whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think 
>>>>>>> the King Red finally failed this fall.
>>>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
>>>>>>> John
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