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[Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>]

Perhaps the first thing would be to come up with a list of seed sources. Then 
figure out how many of us want to give King Red a try. 

The only problem, from a scientific standpoint, is that we're working with 
two variables: seed source and location (the latter of which has its own 
variables). With two main variables, just a few seed sources, and just a few 
growers, we're not going to come up with a wealth of understanding. Still 
some of us might end up with attractive, tasty, fragrant (blossoms), 
nitrogen-fixing plants.

Also, we have to move quickly in order to give any non-stratified seeds their 
needed chilling.

Has anybody out there come up with a list of people or nursery or grocery 
mail-order sources for the seeds/fruits?

Lee
Lee Reich, PhD
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Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

On Mar 21, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Mary Yett wrote:

> I would like to participate in that project. I am going to try and grow
> some King Red from seed anyway. I live on Manitoulin Island in Lake Huron,
> so we have a maritime climate, with slightly warmer winters  ( min temp -32
> C) than is typical for our latitude and coolish summers. Some summers are
> bone dry and some ( like last year) are soggy. We are Canadian climate zone
> 4b.Obviously I will need to grow out seedlings in a very well drained
> location.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think we all want to try growing King Red now. Why don't we get a
>> quantity of seed/fruits and have a lot of us grow them, and maybe out of
>> the batch, there will be some that tolerate a wider range of growing
>> conditions. At the very least, combining all our experiences, we'd have
>> better insight into what kinds of conditions the plants likes and dislikes.
>> 
>> Anyone interested?
>> 
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>> http://leereich.com/
>> 
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>> 
>> On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
>> 
>>> I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm
>> guessing that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to
>> try it now.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity).
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it
>> puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm
>> wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be
>> dried jujube.
>>>> 
>>>> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
>>>> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit
>> Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Hector,
>>>> 
>>>> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde
>> from Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good,
>> for nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have
>> saved and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get
>> there each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early
>> August.
>>>> 
>>>> Lee
>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>> 
>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Lee,
>>>>>    We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it
>> eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at Amherst.
>> I remember it from student days and it was still there, near the
>> greenhouses when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  Really a
>> beautiful plant.  Never thought much of the dried berries on the market in
>> Turkey. I thought the problem with growing in this area was humidity which
>> encouraged fungus diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Lee Reich
>>>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the
>> world. Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its
>> red fruits and silvery grey leaves.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lee
>>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It
>> thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.
>> It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>>>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you
>> for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never germinated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not
>> germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were
>> nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out of
>> their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds like
>> you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too closely
>> about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free.
>> Whenever I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before
>> the end of their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also
>> noted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian
>> Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds
>> from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that of
>> apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard.  I
>> haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical snow cover
>> should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and
>> from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some nice
>> pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased
>> from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem with
>> die-back but growth has been steady.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but
>> growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim Elie
>>>>>>> Green Bay WI
>>>>>>> z4/5
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
>>>>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian
>> Olive to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems
>> keeping King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - don't
>> know whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think the King Red
>> finally failed this fall.
>>>>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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