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  • From: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz@yahoo.com>
  • To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Cc: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [nafex] [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
  • Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:54:58 -0400

I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm guessing
that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to try it now.

Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity).

> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit. However, I found it
> puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected. I'm
> wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be
> dried jujube.
>
> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit
> Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
>
> Hi Hector,
>
> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde from
> Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good, for
> nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have saved
> and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get there
> each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early
> August.
>
> Lee
> Lee Reich, PhD
> http://www.leereich.com/
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
>>
>> Hello Lee,
>> We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it
>> eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at
>> Amherst. I remember it from student days and it was still there, near the
>> greenhouses when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago. Really a
>> beautiful plant. Never thought much of the dried berries on the market in
>> Turkey. I thought the problem with growing in this area was humidity which
>> encouraged fungus diseases. Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lee Reich
>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>
>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the world.
>> Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its red
>> fruits and silvery grey leaves.
>>
>> Lee
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Lee, I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years. It
>>> thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.
>>> It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you for
>>> planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never germinated.
>>>
>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not
>>> germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were
>>> nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out
>>> of their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds
>>> like you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too
>>> closely about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
>>>
>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free. Whenever
>>> I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end
>>> of their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian
>>>> Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds
>>>> from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that
>>>> of apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard. I
>>>> haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet. Our typical snow cover
>>>> should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.
>>>>
>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and from
>>>> Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day"). There are some nice
>>>> pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
>>>>
>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased
>>>> from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem
>>>> with die-back but growth has been steady.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but
>>>> growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
>>>>
>>>> Take Care,
>>>>
>>>> Jim Elie
>>>> Green Bay WI
>>>> z4/5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Lee, I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian Olive to
>>>>> autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems
>>>>> keeping King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken -
>>>>> don't know whether its my technique or an incompatibility. I think the
>>>>> King Red finally failed this fall.
>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
>>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>




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