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["PATTY " <jrplelie@centurylink.net>]

Mary,

The fruit, with seeds can be purchased from many middle-eastern grocers.  
However, if there isn't one in your neighborhood then you're stuck ordering 
online.  With these store orders there are usually minimum order requirements 
in addition to the S/H. The cost is the negative but getting to see the fruit 
of what you intend to grow isn't a bad idea. The turkish and Persian/Iranian 
grocers usually carry them.  I have ordered from the west coast before but I 
had to order 1 lb. With  shipping the bill came to about 20 dollars.  For 8oz 
of fruit with seed it is about 6 dollars.  That actually is quite a bit of 
seed being that the fruit is dry and aside from the papery exterior is is dry 
and cottony on the inside.  Supposedly they are good to eat prior to the 
drying but I haven't been that lucky, yet.

Jim Elie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Yett" <yettmw@gmail.com>
To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 10:10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nafex] [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp

Dang! Where else can we buy them?


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just tried to order the E angustifolia va orietalis from Baker Creek
> and they are already out of seeds.  :(
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Idell Weydemeyer
> <iwgarden@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > I put in my order yesterday to Baker seeds for (Eleaeagnus angustifolia
> var.
> > orietalis)--.However, I am in zone 9b in Northern California--- dry
> > conditions and can see the bay from my house. My  experimenting will not
> > help those in the humid south but may help some others.
> >
> > Idell Weydemeyer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Reich
> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:09 PM
> > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
> >
> > I think we all want to try growing King Red now. Why don't we get a
> quantity
> > of seed/fruits and have a lot of us grow them, and maybe out of the
> batch,
> > there will be some that tolerate a wider range of growing conditions. At
> the
> > very least, combining all our experiences, we'd have better insight into
> > what kinds of conditions the plants likes and dislikes.
> >
> > Anyone interested?
> >
> > Lee Reich, PhD
> > Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> > http://leereich.com/
> >
> > Books by Lee Reich:
> > A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > The Pruning Book
> > Weedless Gardening
> > Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> > Landscaping with Fruit
> > Grow Fruit Naturally
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
> >
> >> I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm
> guessing
> > that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to try it
> now.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity).
> >>
> >>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it
> > puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm
> > wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be
> > dried jujube.
> >>>
> >>> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
> >>> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit
> > Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
> >>>
> >>> Hi Hector,
> >>>
> >>> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde
> from
> > Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good, for
> > nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have saved
> > and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get there
> > each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early
> > August.
> >>>
> >>> Lee
> >>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>
> >>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>> The Pruning Book
> >>> Weedless Gardening
> >>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Lee,
> >>>>     We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it
> > eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at
> Amherst.
> > I remember it from student days and it was still there, near the
> greenhouses
> > when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  Really a beautiful
> plant.
> > Never thought much of the dried berries on the market in Turkey. I
> thought
> > the problem with growing in this area was humidity which encouraged
> fungus
> > diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Lee Reich
> >>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the
> world.
> > Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its red
> > fruits and silvery grey leaves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lee
> >>>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>>> The Pruning Book
> >>>> Weedless Gardening
> >>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It
> > thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.
> > It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
> >>>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Jim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you
> > for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never
> germinated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not
> > germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were
> > nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out
> of
> > their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds
> like
> > you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too closely
> > about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free.
> Whenever
> > I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end
> of
> > their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lee
> >>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>>>> The Pruning Book
> >>>>> Weedless Gardening
> >>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian
> > Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds
> > from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that of
> > apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard.  I
> > haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical snow cover
> > should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and
> > from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some nice
> > pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased
> > from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem
> with
> > die-back but growth has been steady.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but
> > growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Take Care,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim Elie
> >>>>>> Green Bay WI
> >>>>>> z4/5
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
> >>>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian
> Olive
> > to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems
> keeping
> > King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - don't know
> > whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think the King Red
> > finally failed this fall.
> >>>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
> >>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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