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Just tried to order the E angustifolia va orietalis from Baker Creek
and they are already out of seeds.  :(

~mIEKAL

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Idell Weydemeyer
<iwgarden@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I put in my order yesterday to Baker seeds for (Eleaeagnus angustifolia var.
> orietalis)--.However, I am in zone 9b in Northern California--- dry
> conditions and can see the bay from my house. My  experimenting will not
> help those in the humid south but may help some others.
>
> Idell Weydemeyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Reich
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:09 PM
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio
> Subject: Re: [nafex] [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
>
> I think we all want to try growing King Red now. Why don't we get a quantity
> of seed/fruits and have a lot of us grow them, and maybe out of the batch,
> there will be some that tolerate a wider range of growing conditions. At the
> very least, combining all our experiences, we'd have better insight into
> what kinds of conditions the plants likes and dislikes.
>
> Anyone interested?
>
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
>
>> I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm guessing
> that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to try it now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity).
>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it
> puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm
> wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be
> dried jujube.
>>>
>>> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
>>> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit
> Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
>>>
>>> Hi Hector,
>>>
>>> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde from
> Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good, for
> nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have saved
> and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get there
> each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early
> August.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Lee,
>>>>     We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it
> eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at Amherst.
> I remember it from student days and it was still there, near the greenhouses
> when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  Really a beautiful plant.
> Never thought much of the dried berries on the market in Turkey. I thought
> the problem with growing in this area was humidity which encouraged fungus
> diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Lee Reich
>>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>>>
>>>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the world.
> Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its red
> fruits and silvery grey leaves.
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>>
>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It
> thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.
> It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you
> for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never germinated.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not
> germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were
> nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out of
> their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds like
> you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too closely
> about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
>>>>>
>>>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free. Whenever
> I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end of
> their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian
> Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds
> from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that of
> apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard.  I
> haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical snow cover
> should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and
> from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some nice
> pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased
> from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem with
> die-back but growth has been steady.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but
> growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Elie
>>>>>> Green Bay WI
>>>>>> z4/5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
>>>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian Olive
> to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems keeping
> King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - don't know
> whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think the King Red
> finally failed this fall.
>>>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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