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["Idell Weydemeyer" <iwgarden@earthlink.net>]

Wonderful pictures- -I want to go! The fruit you are mentioning looked about
the size and color of a small jujube but my jujubes are not ever speckled-
-and autumn olive type fruit is. 

Idell Weydemeyer

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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Kacalanos
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To: North American Fruit Explorers
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Subject: Re: [nafex] [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp

I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm guessing
that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to try it now. 

Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity). 

> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it
puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm
wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be
dried jujube.
>  
> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit
Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
> 
> Hi Hector,
> 
> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde from
Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good, for
nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have saved
and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get there
each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early
August.
> 
> Lee
> Lee Reich, PhD
> http://www.leereich.com/
> 
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Lee,
>>      We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it
eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at Amherst.
I remember it from student days and it was still there, near the greenhouses
when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  Really a beautiful plant.
Never thought much of the dried berries on the market in Turkey. I thought
the problem with growing in this area was humidity which encouraged fungus
diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lee Reich
>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>> 
>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the world.
Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its red
fruits and silvery grey leaves.
>> 
>> Lee
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> http://www.leereich.com/
>> 
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It
thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.
It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
>>>  
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim, 
>>> 
>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you
for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never germinated. 
>>> 
>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not
germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were
nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out of
their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds like
you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too closely
about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
>>> 
>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free. Whenever
I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end of
their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.
>>> 
>>> Lee
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>> 
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> 
>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian
Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds
from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that of
apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard.  I
haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical snow cover
should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.
>>>> 
>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and
from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some nice
pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
>>>> 
>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased
from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem with
die-back but growth has been steady.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but
growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care,
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Elie
>>>> Green Bay WI
>>>> z4/5
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian Olive
to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems keeping
King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - don't know
whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think the King Red
finally failed this fall.
>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
>>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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