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[Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>]

I think we all want to try growing King Red now. Why don't we get a quantity 
of seed/fruits and have a lot of us grow them, and maybe out of the batch, 
there will be some that tolerate a wider range of growing conditions. At the 
very least, combining all our experiences, we'd have better insight into what 
kinds of conditions the plants likes and dislikes.

Anyone interested?

Lee Reich, PhD
Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
http://leereich.com/

Books by Lee Reich:
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
Landscaping with Fruit
Grow Fruit Naturally

On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:

> I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm guessing 
> that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to try it now. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity). 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it 
>> puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm 
>> wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be 
>> dried jujube.
>> 
>> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
>> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit 
>> Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
>> 
>> Hi Hector,
>> 
>> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde from 
>> Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good, for 
>> nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have saved 
>> and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get there 
>> each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early 
>> August.
>> 
>> Lee
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> http://www.leereich.com/
>> 
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Lee,
>>>     We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it 
>>> eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at 
>>> Amherst.  I remember it from student days and it was still there, near 
>>> the greenhouses when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  Really 
>>> a beautiful plant.  Never thought much of the dried berries on the market 
>>> in Turkey. I thought the problem with growing in this area was humidity 
>>> which encouraged fungus diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Lee Reich
>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>> 
>>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the world. 
>>> Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its red 
>>> fruits and silvery grey leaves.
>>> 
>>> Lee
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>> 
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It 
>>>> thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some 
>>>> sort.  It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into 
>>>> decline.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
>>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jim, 
>>>> 
>>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you 
>>>> for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never 
>>>> germinated. 
>>>> 
>>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not 
>>>> germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they 
>>>> were nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, 
>>>> cracked out of their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out 
>>>> inhibitors. Sounds like you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read 
>>>> my own book too closely about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
>>>> 
>>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free. Whenever 
>>>> I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end 
>>>> of their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.
>>>> 
>>>> Lee
>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
>>>> 
>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>>> The Pruning Book
>>>> Weedless Gardening
>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian 
>>>>> Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis 
>>>>> seeds from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to 
>>>>> that of apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the 
>>>>> yard.  I haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical 
>>>>> snow cover should get them through the winter if the mice leave them 
>>>>> alone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and 
>>>>> from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some 
>>>>> nice pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased 
>>>>> from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem 
>>>>> with die-back but growth has been steady.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but 
>>>>> growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim Elie
>>>>> Green Bay WI
>>>>> z4/5
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
>>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian Olive 
>>>>>> to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems 
>>>>>> keeping King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - 
>>>>>> don't know whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think 
>>>>>> the King Red finally failed this fall.
>>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
>>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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