North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio

[Mary Yett <yettmw@gmail.com>]

Dang! Where else can we buy them?


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just tried to order the E angustifolia va orietalis from Baker Creek
> and they are already out of seeds.  :(
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Idell Weydemeyer
> <iwgarden@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > I put in my order yesterday to Baker seeds for (Eleaeagnus angustifolia
> var.
> > orietalis)--.However, I am in zone 9b in Northern California--- dry
> > conditions and can see the bay from my house. My  experimenting will not
> > help those in the humid south but may help some others.
> >
> > Idell Weydemeyer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Reich
> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:09 PM
> > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
> >
> > I think we all want to try growing King Red now. Why don't we get a
> quantity
> > of seed/fruits and have a lot of us grow them, and maybe out of the
> batch,
> > there will be some that tolerate a wider range of growing conditions. At
> the
> > very least, combining all our experiences, we'd have better insight into
> > what kinds of conditions the plants likes and dislikes.
> >
> > Anyone interested?
> >
> > Lee Reich, PhD
> > Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> > http://leereich.com/
> >
> > Books by Lee Reich:
> > A Northeast Gardener's Year
> > The Pruning Book
> > Weedless Gardening
> > Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> > Landscaping with Fruit
> > Grow Fruit Naturally
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
> >
> >> I dredged up this old email, which intrigued me at the time. I'm
> guessing
> > that this large-fruited plant is a different species. I want to try it
> now.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone (pardon my brevity).
> >>
> >>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:53 PM, John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This link has a picture showing the dried fruit.  However, I found it
> > puzzling as the size of the fruit is much larger than I expected.  I'm
> > wondering if the fruit shown in this link, identified as igde, might be
> > dried jujube.
> >>>
> >>> http://harikaszaza.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] russian olive, elaeagnus sp
> >>> To: "Hector Black" <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>, "North American Fruit
> > Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:08 PM
> >>>
> >>> Hi Hector,
> >>>
> >>> I remember that many years ago you sent me a small bag of dried igde
> from
> > Turkey via one of your local store. I thought they were pretty good, for
> > nibbling, at least, sort of like sweet talcum powder. I should have saved
> > and planted the seeds. I will check into that plant at UMass; I get there
> > each summer for the organic farming and gardening conference in early
> > August.
> >>>
> >>> Lee
> >>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>
> >>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>> The Pruning Book
> >>> Weedless Gardening
> >>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Hector Black wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Lee,
> >>>>     We had a lot of trouble with dieback on our King Red and it
> > eventually died, but there was a tree on the campus of U. Mass. at
> Amherst.
> > I remember it from student days and it was still there, near the
> greenhouses
> > when we had a NAFEX meeting there some years ago.  Really a beautiful
> plant.
> > Never thought much of the dried berries on the market in Turkey. I
> thought
> > the problem with growing in this area was humidity which encouraged
> fungus
> > diseases.  Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Lee Reich
> >>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:46 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh well. It seems that King Red is not suited to this part of the
> world.
> > Too bad. It's fairly tasty and I'm sure is very beautiful with its red
> > fruits and silvery grey leaves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lee
> >>>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>>> The Pruning Book
> >>>> Weedless Gardening
> >>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, John S wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It
> > thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.
> > It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Lee Reich <lreich@hvc.rr.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
> >>>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>>>> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Jim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you
> > for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never
> germinated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not
> > germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were
> > nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out
> of
> > their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds
> like
> > you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too closely
> > about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free.
> Whenever
> > I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end
> of
> > their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lee
> >>>>> Lee Reich, PhD
> >>>>> http://www.leereich.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Books by Lee Reich:
> >>>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >>>>> The Pruning Book
> >>>>> Weedless Gardening
> >>>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >>>>> Landscaping with Fruit
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie@new.rr.com> <jelie@new.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian
> > Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds
> > from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that of
> > apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard.  I
> > haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical snow cover
> > should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and
> > from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some nice
> > pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased
> > from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem
> with
> > die-back but growth has been steady.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but
> > growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Take Care,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim Elie
> >>>>>> Green Bay WI
> >>>>>> z4/5
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---- John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......
> >>>>>>> I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian
> Olive
> > to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems
> keeping
> > King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - don't know
> > whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think the King Red
> > finally failed this fall.
> >>>>>>> Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.
> >>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> __________________
> >> nafex mailing list
> >> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> >> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list
> > maintenance:
> >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> >> message archives
> >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> >> Google message archive search:
> >> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring]
> >> nafex list mirror sites:
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
> >> Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
> >
> > __________________
> > nafex mailing list
> > nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list
> > maintenance:
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> > message archives
> > https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> > Google message archive search:
> > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring]
> > nafex list mirror sites:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
> > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
> > Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
> >
> > __________________
> > nafex mailing list
> > nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list
> maintenance:
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> > message archives
> > https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> > Google message archive search:
> > site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring]
> > nafex list mirror sites:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
> > https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
> > Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
> __________________
> nafex mailing list
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list
> maintenance:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> message archives
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> Google message archive search:
> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring]
> nafex list mirror sites:
> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
> Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
>