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- From: <Jorene@CEOates.com>
- To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills
- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:13:00 -0700
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Good system, to first do some "show me" basics in
the arena. Not unusual for someone to join saying "Yes, I know how to ride" and
later discover their actual skills are dangerously inadequate, or their horse is
way beyond their current capabilities.
I've had several people suggest to me that
standards should include being able to ride someone else's horse through the
obstacle course. I can see that as a possible option for more advanced riders /
team leaders. I see that as being a wreck waiting to happen for far too many
typical MSAR riders. And I've had plenty of people say NO WAY they'd let others
ride their horse ... which tells me the riding skills in their team aren't up to
par for good horsemanship.
Having standards that include some kind of method
to disquailfy someone for inadequate skills / inappropriate mount will reduce
the potential for those riders/mounts becoming a hazard on that MSAR team. But
you also need to have someone there who DOES recognize the problems - sometimes
not obvious to the average rider - with the authority to say no.
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I saw that - Good Stuff. I mentioned having a
"more complicated" rescue as a reminder to all that just because you haven't
trained for something doesn't mean it won't happen. And you can't carry
absolutely everything that might ever be needed with you. Being able to
improvise in an emergency can save someone's life. But if you haven't had much
Rescue training, the mind isn't near as likely to come up with a *safe* viable
alternative.
Performing a more complicated rescue in training
with limited gear can create a real challenge, but is invaluable because it gets
the mind considering options. Consider and trialing the options *before* they
are needed might make the difference between performing a safe rescue and
creating a worse problem in the field.
I also like the "worst case scenario" type
problems. (The weather means the rescue chopper can't fly. The radio can't get
out to ask for guidance or for a specialized rescue team. Your team on the scene
can save a life ... or not. What would you do if _____ was the
situation?) I've asked that kind of question at various trainings and
conferences and seen a lot of Ooops!expressions from ground teams and Mounted.
The list is much shorter for having a reasonable answer than it is for the
Ooops! look, which tells me it isn't uncommon that more Rescue training
is needed, along with training beyond basic First Aid, which is a
fairly common local standard.
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LOL! I lured a bunch of CAP Cadets into more
intensive Search training using that same kind of bait. Told them I had
scattered $2 worth of pennies within a given area and sent out 4 teams to search
4 small quadrants. "What you find, you keep." They discovered that walking
around with a bent head wasn't sufficient when I had them switch to the next
quadrant and another team found pennies they had missed. They got more motivated
with every switch to another quadrant and every team was still finding missed
coins. <g> Last pass they were on hands and knees in the grass, shoulder
to shoulder, explaining to ME they needed to do a hand search spreading blades
to see what might be hidden. I provided the situation, they figured out the
solution. Those kids taught themselves that a search for something
small isn't something that can be accomplished successfully just strolling along
and glancing around. ;)
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Jorene Downs Tulare Co, CA SAR, MSAR, Swiftwater Rescue, US&R, Technical Rescue, Cave Rescue, Hasty Team, ICP www.CEOates.com/sar Tulare-Kings CERT Program Coordinator www.tk-cert.org |
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Re: [MSAR] ICS Field Coordinator
, (continued)
- Re: [MSAR] ICS Field Coordinator, glazejk, 10/28/2003
- Re: [MSAR] ICS Field Coordinator, Una Smith, 10/28/2003
- [MSAR] NASAR STANDARDS and NASAR MSAR STANDARDS, Ian Vowles, 10/31/2003
- RE: [MSAR] NASAR STANDARDS and NASAR MSAR STANDARDS, Ian Vowles, 10/31/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, tm-fi, 10/25/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, wwfarm, 10/25/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, tm-fi, 10/25/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, Jorene, 10/25/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, tm-fi, 10/26/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, Jorene, 10/26/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, Jorene, 10/26/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, tm-fi, 10/26/2003
- Re: [MSAR] Riding Instructors, wwfarm, 10/26/2003
- Re: [MSAR] Riding Instructors, tm-fi, 10/26/2003
- Re: [MSAR] Riding Instructors, Una Smith, 10/27/2003
- Re: [MSAR] Riding Instructors, Una Smith, 10/27/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, Una Smith, 10/27/2003
- Re: [MSAR] Mud Crossing, wwfarm, 10/27/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Rider skills, tm-fi, 10/28/2003
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR standard, levels, Jorene, 10/23/2003
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