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From: Lynn Wigglesworth lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com

<<<<I don't have knowledge of the things you cite; hurricane shutters and 
native plants...not regulated here, and auto insurance is dirt cheap here, so 
I'd have it anyway >>>>

Based on my move out to the middle of nowhere, my impression is there are a 
lot more regulations in the cities... and even though I found some obvious 
"new-come city people" type laws put on the books here recently, it is 
obvious nobody around here enforces those regulations.   You might not have 
the types of regulations I cited in your area, but I'd bet a dollar in a 
heartbeat you have similar regulations on books that are purely for the 
benefit of someone behind the scenes.


<<<<(when I lived in the city I was hit twice by people without insurance, 
and was out the money...not worth taking people with nothing to  court, so I 
approve of requiring minimum insurance).>>>

I can sympathsize with this as I have also been hit by uninsureds, and the 
person that killed my son was also an uninsured driver.  None-the-less, the 
point is to always look completely behind the rallying call for regulations.  
Quite often, when you hear someone cry "there outta be a law" some shark is 
listening and will figure out an angle to make big bucks of that cry.

I have yet to mentally explore some of these issues from a angle of what if 
we had "debtors prisons"  as being a deterant/solution to fiscal 
irresponsbility.  


<<< What ticks me off is seeing the government openly favoring one company 
over 
others  in the labeling laws. No one has to put on the label that they use 
rGBH in their milk, for example, and others are NOT ALLOWED to say they 
don't  use it.  No one is required to put on the label that they use GMOs in 
their products, so how can people choose to avoid them? I've been writing 
letters for truth in labeling for many many years, for all the good it's 
done.   >>>>

Again, what if the majority of people refused to purchase products that 
didn't have XY& Z revealed on their lables?    

I figure it this way.  1. If you use government to force something, 
politicians will bastardize the process, resort to favoritism if they can, 
and get a ton a skim along the way.  2.  If people educated each other, and 
kept the dirty politicians out, and used the power of "strike", real change 
would occur.  

In your example if people very vocally refused to purchase milk that doesn't 
have a label about rGBH - the milk bottler would either go out of biz, or 
update their labels with information that their consumers demand in order to 
sell their product.

Does education happen overnight?  No.  But the internet makes it a lot easier 
;-)

<<< Monsanto has had government in their pocket for many administrations, 
both Repubs and Dems. "Two heads of the same corporate monster", as Nader 
says.>

Ain't that the truth!  I can't stand either Repubs or Dems.  To me, one side 
is "we want to tax and spend on this", and the other side is "no, we want to 
tax and spend on that"........... with the common denominator is the public 
being raped by taxes - both direct in paychecks, and indirect in all kinds of 
taxes.  Next is the tax on cow farts............... after that?  Taxing human 
farts isn't far fetched.  Not too long ago they did a study (televised 
results) on the average # of cubic meters(?) produced by males and females 
per day....... sigh....... Actually I laughed pretty hard when I first saw 
the show, as they purported to be trying to determine who farts more, guys or 
gals (about the same....)   With the cow fart tax now,,,,,,,,,,,, there are 
more ominous tones to that study............... I sure hope our tax dollars 
didn't fund that study.

How come they aren't taxing deer farts? and termite farts? and antelope 
farts? and frog farts?  (oh yeah,,, they aren't owned by humans who can be 
raped of their labor/earnings....)



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Good questions!! I think we agree in principle, but I don't see this as a
communist plot. It is the natural outcome of government siding with
corporations, to the detriment of the little guy, both small business and
consumer. Obama is just the latest in a long line of presidents favoring
corporations. Him giving bailouts to Wall St. so they could continue giving
million dollar bonuses to failed CEOs is just the latest slap in the face to
taxpayers. We are doing this to ourselves.

Sheeples, indeed. Throw them a few trinkets, and they will quiet down. I
think this country has forgotten how to do a proper revolution. People will
protest, unless it means losing their job or 401k. Or missing their favorite
TV show. They also are protesting the wrong things in the wrong ways;
protesting every utterance Obama makes just makes them look like raving
fanatics. By the end, I think the republicans will lose everyone but the
loonies. I think the Tea Parties are the right idea, and it's time for a new
leader to appear, A constitutionalist who doesn't spout lies or hate would
grab my attention..

Lynn Wigglesworth
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From: Lynn Wigglesworth lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com

<<< I don't like the whole slant of this article:that a country "wins" or
"loses" by how effective it is in forcing it's ideology on other countries.
The socialist ideas in this country aren't a communist plot. They are coming
from within and are a natural consequence of the corruption that is making
the divide between rich and poor wider every year. >>>

Do you think that Putin and his predecessors and allies haven't been
plotting the final blow to America, by using the tactic of Collapse from
Within? I thought the author made a great point ---- that any country who
wanted to defeat us must have had to consider our considerable advanced war
technology as being next to impossible to beat. Therefore, you would have to
attack us in a non-conventional way, and do so with a long term plan in
mind.

I agree that the divide between the rich and the poor grows wider every
year. It is quite likely a very effective the way to destabilize a
government, to weaken it.


<<<Like the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, or in many ways the
American Revolution,
the peasants are fed up with the injustice of it all.>>>

I'm not well schooled enough in history to debate this. The French
Revolution to replace monarchial rule led to a time of poverty and failures
of mutliple attempts to redefine rule, which eventually led to a coup d'etat
by Napolean, who became Emperor. Clearly the Russian Revolution didn't lead
to propserity for the masses when they adopted their socialist form of
government..the gap between the poverty of the masses and the wealthy there
was told to me by first hand account as my father worked behind the wall in
Russia many times.. The American Revolution, however, did lead to freedom
and prosperity for the masses when they adopted capitalism..... at least
until such time as the greedy at the top and bottom figured out a way to
manipulate politicians into changing the rules in their favor, and little by
little capitalism was replaced with a combianation of socialistic and
fascist ideals.


<<<We don't have anything even close to true capitalism or free markets
here. >>>

I agree. We have been a stealth fascist nation for at least 50 years, that
is if fascism is defined as a merger of state and corporate interests.


<<<<By the same token, the USSR wasn't a true communist country; more a
totalitarian dictatorship. Ironically, those at the bottom were heavily
regulated, while the few at the top flourished. Some things are universal,
huh?>>>>

Which brings me back to me pointing the finger at the sheeples..........
Sheeples must always be on the lookout for those few who are always looking
to abuse and corrupt in order to poor the masses. When they don't, and we
haven't,,,, this disparity becomes more and more apparent.


It seems the disparity is more widely recognized by the sheeples now.... I
guess the question now is will this foster revolution? And what will be
outcome if that happens? Who wins? Oppressors or the masses? If the
oppressors, my guess is we become corporate slaves.

And if the masses - which direction will they take? Will they remember that
the US Consitution fostered an environment that permitted a twist on Karl
Marx................. "TO each according to his ability" (Instead of FROM
each), which created the wealth of this country? Will they form a
dictatorship, Marxist type state? Or do we follow the French and flounder
about in one failed experiment after another until a new emporer arrives?



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