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I don't really have much of dog in this fight, Drew, as I don't need anyone 
to 'care' for my health and I'd quite frankly just as soon die as muck with 
the modern medical morass.  But I've paid attention to this and I find that 
all that is being bandied about is misinformation:


> > If you like a  socialist system where the govt. controls and doles, 
> that is fine.

Where would this be?  It certainly isn't Canada.  It is a "socialist" 
insurance system, not a socialist medical system.  We are told here that in 
Canada, Britain, and many other European countries that there are boards and 
gatekeepers that sit in judgement on the individual patients approving this 
treatment and denying that.  Turns out that's all fabrication.  It's not the 
way 
their systems work.


 >If you want  > like and 
> choose levels of coverage  and doctors, you should be able to.
> 
Again my question: "Where would this be??"  It certainly isn't in the US.  
The US is a fascist system where the medical industry uses the government to 
conrol and enforce its monoply.  There are no real choices and no real 
competition.

Notice in your above observaion that you want a system where you choose 
your doctor.  We've had Canadians on this list assert that they are free to 
choose whichever doctor they wish, and yet we hear this mantra repeated over 
and over again that under a unversal systems you don't get to choose your 
doctor.  I am not hopeful that anything meaningful is going to come over the 
whole 'heath care' debate.  It could if both sides would take a few minutes 
to 
examine what they are saying, check the facts, and then raise objections on 
the REAL shortcomings of all the medical delivery systems.  But when we have 
people mindlessly droning on about how in universal coverage systems, no 
one one gets to choose their doctor and taking five shots of reality to the 
head doesn't make the flinch even a little, I think very little will come of 
all this blather.


James