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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

I would much rather live thru a depression than a hyper-inflation.
 
In a depression, families can squeeze in together, pool their part-time money 
and the pooled money will still buy things.
 
In a hyper-inflation, families will squeeze in together, all be working 
full-time and the pooled money won't be worth diddly-squat 2 hours after pay 
is received.
 
 

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Gil White <gil.white AT xplornet.com> wrote:




I suspect that many of us really don't want to live through an actual great 
depression. 10-15% unemployment is scary, 20-30% would take another world war 
to bring us out of it.

Gil



On Jul 22, 2009, lurine AT com-pair.net wrote:


I now withdraw that cause I think by 
the end of four years we are going to wish we had him back!

Lynda
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] hypothetical negotiating for a job
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I agree with Lynda; I'd ask for something that didn't cost the employer any
money, but gave me more big blocks of time off.  Working 9-5 Mon-Fri really
sucks; you can't get anything done with other businesses without taking
time off.

Negotiating wouldn't work here, because the few jobs that are available are
minimum wage retail, and the 'new guy' gets the shifts no one else wants.
With the high unemployment, they don't have to cut any deals. Unless you
have a teaching certificate or mechanic skills, there's nothing else; once
people get a job, they don't quit. The same people have been working at the
supermarket for years. I've been waiting for 5 years for someone to leave
either the county library or the University library 15 miles away and open
up a job (I have an MLS).

Bah. I'd still rather be a farmer...I must have some skills at it, because I
make more per year than the dairy farmers around here (not a big
accomplishment, since they all lose money every year). But what I make still
won't pay the bills. I need a sugar daddy (or a gas well).

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] hypothetical negotiating for a job


> First, I'd research and see what others are getting and how their
> qualifications measure up to your's.
>
> Then I'd decide what it would take to drag me kicking and screaming off my
> little corner of the world.
>
> My ideal would be 4/10s with alternating weekends (Monday-Thursday one
> week;
> Tuesday-Friday the next week.  Then you have alternating 4 day weekends).
> Now, my selling point/argument on this would be that it has been shown
> that
> people that have alternating 4 day weekends use less sicktime as they have
> the weekdays off to take care of doctor appointments, DMV, etc.  AND, it
> has
> been shown that people that have long weekends are happier campers and
> less
> likely to be ill!  Plus, "happy campers" are less likely to get hurt on
> the
> job.
>
> If it was a company that was running 2 or 3 shifts, then I'd ask to add in
> flex-time.  If others got a gas allowance, then I'd add that in.
> particularly if I had a long commute.
>
> Don't think I'd ask for a phone unless it was really needed for the job.
> That would make it easier to for them call me on my time.  Nope, no
> thanks.
>
> Laptop.  Depends on how you could justify it.
>
> Lynda
> "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."  Aldous Huxley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
>
>
>> We all know the economy sucks right now and jobs are few and far
>> between.  I have a hypothetical question for you...
>> Knowing that many companies are cash strapped, if a company is
>> interested in negotiation with you for a job, what kind of perks would
>> you ask for?  Car, phone, 3 weeks vacation, flex time, gas allowance,
>> laptop???  Negotiation is an art, and I usually end up with less
>> 'benefits' than my co-workers because I did not cut a good deal, or when
>> I do cut a deal, the employer backs out after I'm hired.
>> Like Lynn, I've only been half looking for a job.  I enjoy being a full
>> time homesteader, but Skyguy would prefer that I work.  I've been
>> thinking about what I would ask for.  Do you think it is prudent to try
>> to make any kind of bargain with the economy so tough and jobs so
>> scarce?  Unemployment is very high here, and if someone were to call, do
>> I just accept a job with no bargaining just to have one, even though I
>> really would prefer to stay home, is that stupid?  Where is the fine
>> line?
>
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