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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Ray, I just remembered I didin't mention the premise (first sentence) of your 
post.  Whe it comes to price, buy fewer of good guns and good ammo , than 
more of the cheaper version of either.

I' will give specific brand names that I like for new and used.  I will be 
happy to answer follow-ups if you have any, because I this particular 
purchase could make the differwence in causinf or preventing great bodily 
harm.

Whe I say don't buy cheaper guns, I'm d*mn serious.  Also don't buy reloads 
unless you are an experienced reloader

Revolvers: If buying used Most of the older american made, will be fine.  
Knowing the history of a specific gun is great, if possible.  If not look for 
the usual signs of wear.  I prefer SS and have revolvers and pistrols that 
asre SS and blued.  Blued finishes show better indicators of wear, overall.  
Look, it's easier just to say, buy a damn good condition ruger GP100 or GP101 
 SS.  You could do damage throwing it at someone, and if you hit that at 
which you aim, and are using hollow points, you will not need to hit your 
target more than once.

S&W are great, but they cost more for equal condition.  You just can't beat a 
neweer or new Ruger revolver-for the money.

I would start looking for good deals on ammo for .38 and .357 , now, today.  
You will be shocked if it has been a while since you bought ammo.  5oo rounds 
for a blasted 22 can cost you almost $50 today, depending on where in Utah 
you live (G-d help the poor Yankee folk that t*x and restrict ammo sales).  
Even if you my something other than a .38, you can always trade/barter.  .38 
specail ammo is a goos basic ammo; like buying bricks of .22 ammo.

Go shoooting before you buy, everything.  At least make sure she is going to 
be confortable with a .357, it is not like shooting a 9mm.  

Anyway..........

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--- On Mon, 12/15/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Preparation for WTSHTF questions
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:10 AM
> This is just my opinion; and on this issue you could have
> many.  I know you already understand the 'firearms as
> tools' way of thinking and know that different jobs need
> different tools.  You seem to be strictly asking about using
> your firearms for protection, so I will make a couple of
> suggestions.  Get a few phone books (big thick metro ones);
> a few big melons, apiece or two of 3/4 " plywood.  Take
> your .22s and a .357 and allow your wife to fire as much as
> you fire.  Use different ammo for each, use .38 ammo in the
> .357.  Use hollow points. If you can borrow a 9mm for the
> day , take one of those for comparison.  You need to see
> what firearm each of you are comfortable shooting and also
> see the difference in the impact of that firearm (and the
> different ammo) on the targets.  There are large differences
> in comfort and result.
> 
>   Take a little .22 (short) semi-auto.  For up close it
> might be a great pistol for the wife , like shooting a toy
> and if you put all 6 in someone's throat, you could even
> kill a man with one, but I wouldn't want to be counting
> on it as family preotection,for that your .357 sounds smart,
> but can she shoot that revolver?  My wife will not shoot a
> gun.  Period.  Don't tell me  how to teach her; I have
> been shooting since before I was six, owned my own shotgun
> when I was seven, and have never had a problem with
> firearms.  Her father ownerd firearms he would take to the
> desert (she went, too); but, she will not hold or operate a
> firearm.  Some people are just that way.  Hopefully, your
> wife will have a different reaction.
> 
>  I have never been much of a rifle person.  Most of the
> rifles I own are older .22s, or o/u w/.22.  I think every
> household that has a firearm should have a shotgun, my
> preference is a 12 gauge pump (Winchester model 1200 is my
> favorite). 
> 
>  Revolvers : I like  good .357. Rugers are the best -- for
> the money--.  But, unless you are using .38 ammo, it might
> be a heavy gun for the wife.  Why not get a .38 and a .357
> revolver; you could share the .38 (special) ammo between the
> two.  You can't do it backwards -- the magnum ammo will
> not shoot in the 38, it's too long, but the .38 special
> ammo will shoot in the .357.
> 
> I have no advice to give on rifles...............
> 
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> 
> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, rayzentz AT aim.com
> <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] Preparation for WTSHTF
> questions
> > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:43 AM
> > OK
> > 
> > Came into a bit of mony recently. I know what I want
> to do
> > with it, with one exception, and I would like a bit of
> > advice from folks here...
> > 
> > I am planning on buying two p*stols (for my wife and
> I),
> > and two r*fle/c*rbines.? What I have in mind is all
> four
> > using the same ammo, so I don't have to worry
> about
> > stockpiling different calibres.
> > 
> > My thought is two rev*lvers, a lever action (or maybe
> > semi-aut0), and a bolt action in .357. Bolt for
> hunting,
> > lever or semi for situation requiring more firepower,
> and
> > small for personal protecton.
> > 
> > I already have a .22lr r*fle, and p*stol, and several
> > thousand rds for those
> > I also have a .50 cal black powdr r*fle, with ball and
> > powdr stored
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Ray
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
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