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[william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>]

The answer to one is No.  It snows here a lot and stays.  In fact, we are 
scedualed for 6 inches of snow and blowing snow tonight.  Snow means 6 inches 
on the ground.  Blowing snow means the winds are going to pile it up in big 
drifts and we will not be able to get out for a couple of days.  However, if 
we don't have cold weather we don't have fruit as all fruit needs so much 
cold time in order to bear.  In answer to the second question, I don't have a 
house, but a lot of trees if you want to build a log cabin.  I am not sure I 
would want to live where there is no snow.

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: wce1482 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:01 AM

I have two questions, bill

1) are you in the part of Iowa where it does 'not' snow?

2) If, the answer to question #1 is 'yes', do you have an old
guest-house for rent?  :-)

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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld  -- feel free to ignore
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:57 AM
> I think you maybe missing the point.  To get the economy
> back on track, the government is going to have to give money
> to someone to get it going.  Now they are giving money to
> the bankers with the idea that i will filter down to the
> workers and they will spend it.  So far the bankers have
> just used it to buy other banks or to bail themselves out. 
> The only way to get things going, is to get the money to the
> workers.  They are the ones who spend it and most of the
> economy works on their spending.  With the bankers, we just
> gave it to them.  A lot of people who think is was alright
> to give money to bankers think that workers should have to
> work for any money given to them.  So, a road plan.  If
> the government makes anything to sell, it undercuts
> business.  Regardless of how it is done, no recovery is
> possible until the workers have some money.  If they bail
> out the auto makers and do nothing for the workers, no one
> will be able to buy cars and
>  the auto makers will by right back where they are now. 
> It does't make any difference if they make fuel
> effecient cars or not as long as most of the workers
> don't have the money to buy a car.  Well. so much for
> my spouting off.
>  
> However, I have been thinking that I have participated in
> the group for awhile and maybe I should tell something about
> mayself.  I am 65 and am married for the second time.  I
> have 60 acres, of which 35 is woods.  Before I got the
> farm, I was a psychologist.  I served in the Vietnam War
> and am a totally service connected disables veteran.  I
> grew up on a farm and have run a dairy, raised cattle, hogs.
> sheep, goats, chickens, geese, ducks and rabbits.  I have
> often had a big garden and have raised corn, sweet corn ,
> pop corn, soybeen, navy beans, wheat and hay.  I am now
> raising an orchard.  I have about a 1000 trees.  The deer
> help themselves to the trees on a regular bases.  I read
> somewhere that deer will not jump a fence if something is 6
> foot on the other side of the fence.  So I am starting to
> build 2 fences around the orchard 6 feet apart.  I raise
> sweet and sour cherries, grapes, blackberries, plums,
> apricots, peaches, nectarines,
>  pears and apples.  Oh I forgot.  I live in Iowa. 
> Anything else you want to know, just ask.
> 
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Gene GeRue
> <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:24 AM
> 
> > That's the problen I have with Obama's
> make-work plan (as you and
> > other have pointed out). Infrastructure is great, but
> if you can't  
> > sell it,
> > it doesn't bring in any money to pay the workers.
> 
> Degrade it as make-work if you will, the highway system is
> productive;  
> it brings in much money through fuel taxes. Those
> eighteen-wheelers  
> moving groceries from California to Pennsylvania pay
> serious and  
> disproportionate contributions to the upkeep of highways
> that we all  
> use. If those highways deteriorate that income decreases
> and those  
> groceries on Pennsylvania supermarket shelves become more
> expensive.
> 
> Another infrastructure plan addresses school and other
> government  
> buildings' upgrades to make them more energy efficient.
> As Amory  
> Lovins has long since proved, energy conservation is worth
> more than  
> new energy production.
> 
> 
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We have very little trouble selling our fruit at farmer's market even though 
we sell for more than at the store.  However, we have fruit that is old 
varieties that no one else has and we are about the only ones in Iowa to 
raise plums, apricots, peaches or nectarines.

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Infrastructure jobs for workers
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Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:52 AM

> I've said this before, Lynn.  I have paid much more than market prices
to 
> get 'tasty' fresh vegetables.  I did not do it for my health; and,
I don't 
> now grow my own vegetablers to save money.  It is all about the
'taste'.
>
> Maybe outlooks like mine will soon change if the economy continues its 
> spiral, but for now, local 'tasty' food is worth the extra money
>
You are one of the enlightened, Bob. Around here, it's all about
'cheap'. 
I'm starting to think that the area I live in is what a deep recession
looks 
like, but we've been in one for years.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA 

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It is about cheap here, too.  I think you are right in that areas where
there is a deep recession/depressed economy people think cheap over
taste or variety.  It is true for me, anyway.. when you don't have money
for food, ANY food will do, the more you can get for the least amount of
money, the better, and like Lynn, I could never compete here.  You even
have to have a solicitors permit to sell off the back of your truck here...

I've wondered about these infrastructure jobs..
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Those stats are from last month..
Down near the bottom, you see this:
> In November, employment in financial activities continued to decline
> (-32,000).  Within the industry, job losses occurred in credit
> intermedi- ation and related activities (-16,000) and in rental and
> leasing services (-9,000).  Job losses in financial activities have
> accelerated over the last 3 months, bringing the total decline since
> December to 142,000.
>
> Elsewhere in the service-providing sector, employment in transporta-
>  tion and warehousing declined by 32,000 in November, with most of
> the losses in truck transportation (-12,000) and couriers and
> messengers (-8,000).  The information industry lost 19,000 jobs over
> the month.
>
It would seem to me that very few of the above people would be willing
or even hire-able for jobs like road construction.  How does the
proposed public works project help these white and blue collar people?
If the government contracts with businesses already in existence(via
bidding the way things normally work), then the upper echelons of that
business would already be filled and the new hiring would come in the
lower to middle echelons, right?  (I swear the spelling of echelons
doesn't look right to me, but that is what my spell-checker likes so I
am trusting it.)

B




Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
>> I've said this before, Lynn.  I have paid much more than market
>> prices to get 'tasty' fresh vegetables.  I did not do it for my
>> health; and, I don't now grow my own vegetablers to save money.  It
>>  is all about the 'taste'.
>>
>> Maybe outlooks like mine will soon change if the economy continues
>> its spiral, but for now, local 'tasty' food is worth the extra
>> money
>>
> You are one of the enlightened, Bob. Around here, it's all about
> 'cheap'. I'm starting to think that the area I live in is what a deep
>  recession looks like, but we've been in one for years.
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth Tioga Co. PA
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