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This was interesting reading, Sage, thank you. I'm going to look up  
this book.

Sometimes I wonder, if some alien race was up there looking down  
trying to figure what we all about...they'd just see nasty swarming  
creatures befouling their own nests and killing each other. Half of us  
dying of hunger while the other half are so fat they pop. I wonder  
what their conclusions would be about our state of consciousness.


On Oct 10, 2008, at 1:44 AM, <eureka AT hctc.net> wrote:

> Bev,
>
> Sorry, I don't think I saw your initial post, I came in on
> Bob's and then read Ray's. I'll have to go back and look
> for yours to see what you said.
>
> As for egos, the people I've studied with don't recognize
> an individual plant ego, but more of a collective
> consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would say
> that all roses have one conscious mind, thistles another.
> I think individual plants can have personality, but from a
> life purpose standpoint they are working together from a
> collective.
>
> Stephen Harrod Buhner visited with many medicine men
> around the world in indigenous tribes and asked them how
> they new a certain plant was good for a certain ailment.
> They all said "the plants told me". Some of this goes back
> to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of the
> plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
> red-flowering, sedative plants are blue flowering, urinary
> tract yellow flowering, etc. By reading their form and
> noting where they grow you learn more about particular
> uses.
>
> Some of his interesting studies included how keystone
> plants "call" other plants into an ecosystem. Ironwood is
> one of those plants that sets up first and changes the
> environment and then the other desert plants follow. In
> college we called them pioneer and successional plants but
> we never got into the mechanics of how it happens. He also
> talks about the intelligence of plants as the original
> "chemical factories" with the ability to produce one
> substance in the day to attract one kind of pollinator,
> and another by night to attract a different one. When you
> start looking at these processes you begin to see plants
> do make choices.
>
> If you read Tompkins you will remember odd experiements
> where philodendrons were supposedly trained to open garage
> doors, etc. But Buhner's work is more accessible for the
> scientific mind and bridges the gap between it and what
> might be considered more esoteric. I do recommend the
> book.
>
> --Sage
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:41:57 -0400
>  EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > I do entirely agree with Ray, that plants have spirits,
> > > can experience satisfaction, and that they are happy in
> > > fulfilling their purpose.
> >
> > Sage, just out of curiosity, what did I write that you
> > did not agree
> > with?  I believe plants have spirits, too.  I talk to
> > mine all the time.
> > I have been known to stroke them lovingly as well.
> > However, I do not
> > think they have an ego, do you?
> >
> > Bev
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "The nine most terrifying words in the English language
> > are: 'I'm from
> > the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald Reagan
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