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I believe it...every word.
 
Being only a wanna-be homesteader, I can only recount my direct experiences  
with various house and landscaping plants, but lemme tell ya (AK)...
 
I have had pothos and philodendron, and some kinds of ivy, and Wandering  
Jew, and Airplane plants  that would grow so fast overnight that I had to  
get up 
every morning and continue stringing raffia (or equivalent) all over  the 
house to keep them at bay. I could literally stand there and see the little  
new 
leaves forming. I had bougainvilla in big clay pots on the balcony, and it  
proliferated, to the amazement of neighbors and visitors.
 
Then I moved, to a place where I was not so happy, and nothing would grow.  
All of a sudden, the cats began to be real pests about whatever I planted,  
whereas they'd never been a problem before. No matter how I babied the 
plants,  
and moved them from place to place, everything eventually turned brown and 
died,  and now I have a large collection of empty pots.
 
As I said, I believe every word of it.
 
 
In a message dated 10/10/2008 11:05:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
crazygardens AT verizon.net writes:

Yes,  Bev, they do communicate through a "collective mind".  It is almost  
impossible to detect anything from a single specimen, however, when you  are 
in a big greenhouse where there are hundreds, thousands and tens of  
thousands of a single species, their "thoughts", "feelings" and "emotions"  
can become apparent and sometimes so overwhelming that it can bring you to  
your knees.  I worked in a large commercial greenhouse one season as  an 
assistant grower and I can tell you some first hand accounts of the  
interactions of the plants with the workers there.  There are people  who 
seem to be able to pick up on their form of "communication" and there  are 
people who cannot.  I have wondered if the difference is in the  individual 
people or that the plants "choose" to "communicate" with some  people and not 
others.  Whatever the case, I am absolutely sure there  is some form of 
"sentience" in the plant kingdom that we have very little  understanding.  I 
have put some words in parenthesis because am not  sure if those words 
accurately convey the meaning behind what is actually  happening.  They are 
just the words I have that come close to what I  mean.  I found that those of 
us that could experience their  "communication" often kept mum about it.  It 
was best because those  who could not sometimes made unkind comments about us 
and referred to us  as "hittin' the peyote".  How people reacted to the 
plants  "communications" differed depending on their personal beliefs and  
personalities.  For example, I saw one very religious man emerge from  a 
greenhouse obviously shaken but smiling, and said to me, "You know,  
sometimes you can actually feel god in there."   I saw one young  girl come 
dashing from a greenhouse, in a totally "freaked out" state of  mind and 
yelled to me, "I QUIT!  There are SPOOKS in there!"  My  personal feelings 
are that it is the "life force" that joins everyone and  everything together 
that we pick up on.  Some people call it the  Supernatural, some people call 
it Mother Nature, some people call it  God.  I'm not sure what it is, but 
there is definitely something  there that is not us, and yet, I feel, is us  
also.

Wendy



> Very interesting..
> thanks  Sage, that sounds like a book I should find.
> As to my post, I  responded to Bob's, and Ray tagged onto mine.
> I really don't see any  conflict from what I believe and what you and Ray
> believe.  I do  know that plants communicate through a collective mind of
> sorts.   I hadn't heard about training plants to open doors, I'll have to
> look  into that.
>
> Bev
>
> eureka AT hctc.net  wrote:
>> Bev,
>>
>> Sorry, I don't think I saw  your initial post, I came in on
>> Bob's and then read Ray's. I'll  have to go back and look
>> for yours to see what you  said.
>>
>> As for egos, the people I've studied with don't  recognize
>> an individual plant ego, but more of a  collective
>> consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would  say
>> that all roses have one conscious mind, thistles  another.
>> I think individual plants can have personality, but from  a
>> life purpose standpoint they are working together from  a
>> collective.
>>
>> Stephen Harrod Buhner  visited with many medicine men
>> around the world in indigenous  tribes and asked them how
>> they new a certain plant was good for a  certain ailment.
>> They all said "the plants told me". Some of this  goes back
>> to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of  the
>> plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
>>  red-flowering, sedative plants are blue flowering, urinary
>> tract  yellow flowering, etc. By reading their form and
>> noting where they  grow you learn more about particular
>> uses.
>>
>>  Some of his interesting studies included how keystone
>> plants  "call" other plants into an ecosystem. Ironwood is
>> one of those  plants that sets up first and changes the
>> environment and then the  other desert plants follow. In
>> college we called them pioneer and  successional plants but
>> we never got into the mechanics of how it  happens. He also
>> talks about the intelligence of plants as the  original
>> "chemical factories" with the ability to produce  one
>> substance in the day to attract one kind of  pollinator,
>> and another by night to attract a different one. When  you
>> start looking at these processes you begin to see  plants
>> do make choices.
>>
>> If you read  Tompkins you will remember odd experiements
>> where philodendrons  were supposedly trained to open garage
>> doors, etc. But Buhner's  work is more accessible for the
>> scientific mind and bridges the  gap between it and what
>> might be considered more esoteric. I do  recommend the
>> book.
>
>
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