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- From: "Billy LeJeune" <billyl AT wcs.edu>
- To: "Corpus-paul" <corpus-paul AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: the role of the law in salvation-history
- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:27:04 -0500
Loren,
I have not yet worked out how to read Rom. 7 the way it was meant to be
read, but being that Rom. 2-4 and 9-12 are about the Jew-Gentile issue,
I wouldn't rule out 5-8 as somehow being part of the same argument. I'll
dig in the archives for the discussion you mentioned.
Thank you very much,
Billy LeJeune
-----Original Message-----
From: Loren Rosson [mailto:rossoiii AT yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:38 AM
To: Corpus-paul
Subject: [corpus-paul] Re: the role of the law in salvation-history
Billy Lejeune wrote:
>I take Rom. 3:19 to be saying the law consigns
>Israel under sin - whatever the law says, it says
>to those who are under the law - just like the rest
>of mankind. It's an argument against Israel have
>special status and not an argument that each person
>ever created is consigned to sin.
Rom 2-4 is, indeed, an argument against Israel's
special status (from one point of view; Rom 11
clarifies and defends Israel's prerogative from
another point of view). But Rom 5-8 is not about
"faith vs works". It is about "faith vs law" as a
whole. Nothing in Rom 5-8 suggests that the
Jew-Gentile issue is being addressed. (Moon and I have
debated this issue before. See the archives for last
February, where he and I discussed Rom 6 in a lengthy
thread.) The texts under discussion here -- Rom 7:7-13
and 7:14-25 -- have nothing to do with the law's
purpose as it relates to "Israel's special status"
(again, that's the focus of chs 2-4 (as well as
9:30-10:4)), but rather the law's purpose as it
relates to any believer, Jew or Gentile, who dies at
baptism (ch 6) and who has not yet risen at the
eschaton (ch 8). The Adam Christology in ch 5 (as well
as 7:7-13) makes clear, I think, that Paul here
focuses on "the law" -- whether the Torah or some
implicit Noahide equivalent -- as "commandments" in
general.
Loren Rosson III
Nashua NH
rossoiii AT yahoo.com
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Re: the role of the law in salvation-history
, (continued)
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, George Athas, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Billy LeJeune, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Billy LeJeune, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Loren Rosson, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Mark D. Nanos, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Billy LeJeune, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Michael Abernathy, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Mark D. Nanos, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, moon-ryul jung, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Mark D. Nanos, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Billy LeJeune, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Lorna Wilson, 10/01/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, moon-ryul jung, 10/02/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Mark D. Nanos, 10/02/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Billy LeJeune, 10/02/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, moon-ryul jung, 10/02/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Loren Rosson, 10/02/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Mark D. Nanos, 10/02/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Loren Rosson, 10/02/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Mark D. Nanos, 10/03/2001
- Re: the role of the law in salvation-history, Billy LeJeune, 10/03/2001
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