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le Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:21:18 -0500 (CDT)
James Miller <jamtat AT mailsnare.net> écrit:

  When I run Links, though, I get no graphics.  I
> understand it has to be run under X, so the way I start it is to open an
> xterminal in Icewm after I've done startx, and type "links."  The browser
> starts, and when I look under "about" it tells me I'm using Links 2 pre9.
> So, all that seems to be in order.  But no graphics are displayed - it's
> only working in text mode.  What am I doing wrong?  I understood that the
> various graphical libraries needed by this Links are already compiled into
> the tgz package.  Is that not correct?  Will I still need to install those
> libraries to get graphics?

Hi,
try to laucnh it with this arguments : links -g mode 640x480x256 ....
in a console -g tell to use graphics and mode is mode ...


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From: JP Piers ( drinou ) <f5nlg AT tiscali.fr>
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le Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:55:36 -0500 (CDT)
James Miller <jamtat AT mailsnare.net> écrit:

> I see.  Interesting.  Preliminary results show that it is no faster than
> BrowseX or Opera on this machine.  But I'll need to fiddle with it a bit
> more.  One question I have is why starting Links makes Icewm's color
> scheme go wacko?  The grey toolbar turns olive drab, for example, and the
> title bars on windows become electric blue.  The background at the Yahoo
> site, usually white, is sort of off-pink.  Do I need to calibrate it or
> something?

No , it's your X who is not well configured you should have the same problems 
with a rxvt or xterm i think ...
take a good X for y'our machine, mine i provide is good enoughf for this 
purpose it's a customised vesa X server from xfree 4.1


> 
> Also: JP gave info on an IRC channel he's starting for BL/Drinou related
> stuff.  I seem to have lost that email.  Can someone please report the
> info for me again?

i propose to use my home server for now ( 56k ) with ngircd running on a p200 
with drinou-linux f5nlg.mine.nu port 6667
and the channel #basiclinux

but if there is interest it will better to put it on a better irc server ... 
( highest bandwich )
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 qwms-avib AT dea.spamcon.org wrote:
> >
> > My XF86Config has no such entry as DefaultColorDepth.
>
> Are you running in 16-color VGA?
>
> > I assume I'll have to add it.
>
> I don't think you can increase the color depth of VGA.
>
Yes, I am running in 16-color VGA.  This machine has a Trident TVGA 9000i
512 KB ISA video card in it.  Seems to me that's about the right sort of
card for the BL2 target machine.  So far, I like Links.  I have a bit more
testing to do with it, but so far it seems to me a better choice for BL2
than other browsers we've talked about/tried.  Having SSL capability would
be a big plus, though.  I don't think we could find a graphical browser
that would perform really well (mainly in terms of speed) on such a
machine as this, so we should probably be looking for a browser that
performs tolerably.  So far, Links2 seems like a good candidate.  Were I
to use this machine on a regular basis though, I would avoid using Links2 or
other such graphical browsers, only firing up such in case of absolute
need.  I would try to use something like Links 0.93 or Dillo for most web
browsing.  In any case, if Links2 does prove to be the right browser for
BL2, it should probably be presumed that others will run into the color
problems I and others have had when using it.  What then are some
resolutions to the color problems?  It seems I can't use Steven's solution
(DefaultColorDepth 16) since, so far as I understand it, I'm sort of stuck
with VGA-16.  I can't say how helpful JP's suggestion would be, since I
don't really understand it: if I, an intermediate Linux newbie, am
challenged technically by this solution, the BL2 target audience might be
even more daunted.  What other solutions might we provide to those
novices who might try BL2 with this graphical Links on similar low-power
hardware and experience the wierd color transposition I've seen?

James
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 qwms-avib AT dea.spamcon.org wrote:

> sindi keesan wrote:
> >
> > Since I want to use Hercules mono I installed xmono.tgz.
> > Do I also need xvg16.tgz installed for the mono VGA monitor?
>
> The vga16 Xserver will give you 16 shades of grey on
> the mono VGA monitor.  I think the mono Xserver only
> does black/white output.

A card that does 16-color VGA will do 256-shade grey.  Will the Xserver do
the same?

>
> > And should it automatically recognize which to use when I
> > switch VTs (and monitors)?
>
> I don't think so.  AFAIK you need a different /etc/XF86Config
> for each card/monitor.

If I have installed both xmono and the 16-color vga .tgz file, should I be
trying to run X on the Hercules or the VGA monitor?  I think I have missed
something in the XF86Config file about choosing the Xserver.

>
> > Found this one - it consists of the line 'icewm'.  Thanks.
> > If this is working,
>
> It should be working (if you installed bl2-x.tgz).
>
> > should I see an xterm against the patterned background
>
> No.  icewm has a plain blue screen with a grey bar across
> the bottom.  Click on the penguin to get the menu.

I don't see any blue (of course, I am running it in mono) or bars at the
bottom or penguin and if I did, how would I click without a mouse?  You
said icewm does not need a mouse.  I see a patterned background and an X.
No white rectangle (xterm).

Fvwm gives you a menu with Alt-F1.  I will look for a manual page for
icewm.

> In icewm the mouse cursor is an arrow (not an X).

Then I am obviously not running icewm.

> > I just installed the 16color package and it still gives no xterm.
>
> Did you install the bl2-x.tgz package?

Yes, that was the first one I installed, and all the others, and also
cyrfonts.tgz.

How did you get X to work with 13M instead of 55M?  (What sorts of things
did you leave out and what do other people use them for?).

I may try removing the Hercules card and starting over, and use the
configuration program this time.

I will read more about this - I have probably omitted some crucial step
somewhere.  We also have the configuration file and .xinitrc in SuSE
(where it is working) to compare with.