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  • From: Ken Penner <kpenner AT stfx.ca>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
  • Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:04:02 -0300

I'm trying to stay out of this one other than to point to evidence.
I just ran across this example of reluctance to use the tetragrammaton in the
last centuries BCE.
Numbers 10:9
וְכִי־תָבֹאוּ מִלְחָמָה בְּאַרְצְכֶם עַל־הַצַּר הַצֹּרֵר אֶתְכֶם וַהֲרֵעֹתֶם
בַּחֲצֹצְרוֹת וְנִזְכַּרְתֶּם לִפְנֵי יהוה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם וְנוֹשַׁעְתֶּם
מֵאֹיְבֵיכֶם
Is quoted in 1Q33 x 6-8 as
כיא תבוא מלחמה
בארצכמה על הצר הצורר אתכמה והריעות[מה]‬בחצוצרות ונזכרתמה לפני אלוהיכם
ונושעתם מאויביכם
Note the differences are all simply orthographic, except for one word missing.

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[mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 7:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...

Dear listmembers


I have argued that there is no evidence that 'adonay was used as a substitute
for YHWH in the last centuries BCE. The use of such a substitution is the
requirement for those who argue that KURIOS was written as a substitute for
YHWH the NT autographs. Whether 'adonay was used as a substituter or not is
not important for those who argue that YHWH was written in the NT autographs,
because such a use is contrary to the words of Exodus 3:15. Jesus and the NT
writers rejected customs and traditions that violated the Tanakh. In
Matthew 15:9 NIV Jesus quotes Isaiah 29:13: "They worship me in vain: their
teaching are but rules taught by men."

It is interesting to see how "rules taught by men" arose. Exodus 3:15NIV says
regarding YHWH:"This is my name for ever, the name by which I am to be
remembered from generation to generation." Here we have two parallelisms, 1)
between $M (name) and ZKR (memorial /name/), and 2) between (LM (indefinite
time/eternity) and LDR DR (from generation to generation). How could this
commandment of God be ignored?

We find the answer in "The Encyclopedia of Biblical Interpretation" by M. M.
Kasher (1967). The volumes of this Encyclopedia show how the Jewish sages
interpreted passages in the Tanakh. Volume VII, pp. 108-110 deals with Exodus
3:15, and we find the following interpretations:

1) The word (LM is written defectively, and therefore the noun (LM (“time
indefinite”) is not meant but the verb (LM, which means “to conceal,” “to
hide.” The name must be concealed and therefore it should not be pronounced.

2) A later meaning of the noun (LM is used. In the Tanakh the noun refers to
“a long time where the length is not stated” or to “eternity.” The Aramaic
noun (LM often stresses the quality of time; it is even used of “people,
world.” An extension of this meaning is also found in the Mishnah, for
example, in the often recurring phrase (LM HBB) (“the world to come”). If the
meaning of (LM in Exodus 3:15 is “world order,” it may be claimed that it
refers to “the world to come.” In this world the name will be pronounced for
ever, but in the present world we must not pronounce it.

3) “This is my name for ever (to time indefinite)” refers to a righteous
person who will get “a monument” (Isaiah 56:5) in Jerusalem in the world to
come. He will also get an everlasting “name.” This indicates that the meaning
of the ineffable name will then be revealed to him, and he will reap its
benefits for ever. Exodus 3:15, therefore, does not refer to the
pronunciation of the divine name in this world.

4) The clause “and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation”
means that in some generations the name would be a memorial and thus be
pronounced, in other generations it would not be pronounced.

These interpretations are so forced that they must represent retrospective
explanations to justify why YHWH was not pronounced in spite of the command
to do so in Exodus 3:15. We note that the LXX and the Samaritan Pentateuch
take the words of Exodus 3:15 in their normal sense.


Best regards,



Rolf Furuli
Stavern
Norway
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