Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Timothy Lawson <lostntym8 AT hotmail.com>]

Steven,
Here are the occurrences of θεός in the NWT translated as Jehovah:

John 6:45, 13:44,48, 16:32, 18:21, Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6, Colossians 3:16, Hebrews 2:13, James 2:23, 2Peter 3:12

Timothy Lawson

> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:05:09 -0400
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> From: stevenavery AT verizon.net
> Subject: [b-hebrew] George Howard and Girdlestone on Hebrew in the NT, paper on NT Hebrew issues
>
> Hi,
>
> Martin Shields.
> >Finally, I'll agree with everyone else, your point that "the normal
> >procedure would have been for Jesus to pronounce YHWH when he read
> >aloud from the Tanakh, and for the NT writers to use YHWH in quotes"
> >is what you have to prove, not what you must assert! There are very
> >good indications that this was most certainly NOT the "normal procedure."
>
> Steven
> This misses the point.
>
> Proving that Jesus pronounced YHWH would prove ... nothing .. about a
> unique proposed Hebrew insertion into a Greek autographic text by
> about 7 New Testament authors. A totally unseen and implausible
> phenomenon that contradicts known scribal habits and transmissional theory.
>
> This is what, in quite distinct ways, has been proposed by George
> Howard and Rolf Furuli. And was selectively to doctrine ("context")
> claimed for the NWT text. Note that this is also totally different
> than translating a Hebrew text into Greek, or a Chinese text into
> English, where, for various reasons, you might naturally leave in a
> couple of Chinese words in Chinese letters for a special purpose.
>
> btw, I would like to know for what Greek verses George Howard
> proposed the phenomenon for theos. "the removal of the Tetragrammaton
> from the New Testament and its replacement with the surrogates kyrios
> and theos" (George Howard). Afaik the NWT and Rolf are only working
> with kyrios words.
>
> Personally, I am more than happy to conjecturally allow the
> possibility that Jesus read aloud the Tetragrammaton,. And that this
> does absolutely nothing to get rid of the scribal habits and textual
> transmissional impossibilities of the Furuli theory. The elephants in
> the living room that he will not address.
>
> Interestingly, one of the first writers who looked at this idea was
> Robert Baker Girdlestone (1836-1923), although he was rather cautious
> about any idea of the New Testament having an original Hebrew. One
> of the humorous ironies is that he saw the application "contextually"
> in exactly the opposite way as Rolf Furuli, and wrote:
>
> Synonyms of the Old Testament: Their Bearing on Christian Faith and
> Practice ( 1871)
> Robert Baker Girdlestone
> http://books.google.com/books?id=D3YcA72rnqQC&pg=PA73
> But in Phil. 2. 9, we read that God hath highly exalted Christ Jesus,
> and hath given him the name which is above every name, that in the
> name of Jesus every knee should bow, and every tongue confess that
> Jesus Christ is Lord (surely Jehovah) to the glory of God the Father.'
>
> Showing that doctrinal translation tampering can be a two-sided coin.
>
> There is a work that touches on the scribal habits and textual
> transmissional issues some,
>
> Chapter 10: Removal of the Tetragrammaton from Early Greek Manuscripts
> http://www.tetragrammaton.org/tetra10.html
>
> And this chapter does discuss very well some (not all) of the issues
> that I raised in my earlier posts. Actually, some of the issues are
> raised in that chapter in far more depth than was in my posts. And I
> see no real weaknesses in this section, although such might be a good
> discussion on a textual forum like TC-Alternate or possibly a web
> forum like CARM that has a history of some spirited discussion
> involving diverse viewpoints.
>
> Earlier post
>
> [b-hebrew] theories of Hebrew writing embedded in Greek NT autographs
> - then redaction - today proposed emendation
> Steven Avery - June 10, 2013
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2013-June/050157.html
>
> Shalom,
> Steven Avery
> Bayside, NY
>
>
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