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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:35:46 +1000
Dear Rolf,
Thanks for your reply. There are a few points which need to be considered.
1. A distinction should be made between ×××× and ×××× ×. The latter
is used primarily of Yhwh and it is thus apparent that there is a graphic
distinction between the use of a simple title and the term associated with
Yhwh.
2. Your assessment that ×××× × is always a title in the DSS seems overly
subjective. If you were to substitute ××× × for ×××× in many places in
the Tanak it would also make sense as a title in spite of the fact that it
substituted for a nameâthe clauses make just as much sense either way.
However, there are good grounds for doubting your dismissal of the validity
of this substitution (I'll expand in the points below). You seem only willing
to concede the substitution if the DSS employ an extensive quotation from the
Tanak, but scholars widely acknowledge a far broader range of intertextual
relationships exist beyond extensive verbatim quotation. At the very
leastâwere you seeking to be more objectiveâyou would need to claim that
the evidence could be fairly interpreted either way. Beyond this, however,
there is more evidence which I think swings things in favour of the notion
that ×××× × is used in place of ×××× in at least some of the DSS.
3. Your assessment of the use of ×× as a substitute for ×××× could
easily be applied with similar results to ×××× ×. How do you decide that
a particular use of ×× is replacing ××××? Only instances where there
are quotations or allusions to biblical passages would provide adequate basis
for drawing the conclusion that ×× is functioning as a substitute.
4. The situation in most of the references I cited previously is that the
books never use the tetragrammaton yet use ×××× × in contexts which are
strongly reminiscent of phrases in the Tanak which do use it, and where the
Tanak does not use ××× ×.
5. Of the texts I cited, a number do not use ×× or similar forms at all
(specifically, 4Q521, 4Q507, 4Q435, 4Q508, 1Q34bis, 4Q434, 4Q577, 4Q527,
4Q526, 4Q384). These are clearly not using ×× as a substitute for ××××.
6. You seem to assume that the texts are consistent in their use of alternate
forms as graphical substitutes for ××××.
In the end, then, I think there are clear idications that ×××× × is used
in a number of places among the DSS sectarian literature as a substitute for
××××.
Regards,
Martin Shields.
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