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  • From: Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com>
  • To: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Verb Stems Confusion
  • Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:38:39 -0500

Jason:
I am fully aware that not all words appear in all stems. So the assumption that I'm wanting to put any root into any stem is false. Again, I just want to know what these forms are, and how to handle them when I come across them. So if I see a word in stem X, I want to know how the stem is dictating the translation. I'm not trying to build words - just take them apart.

Lloyd and George
I want to thank you two VERY much for helping me to understand this stuff!!!

So would the following chart be correct:
Qal: Active, Simple - "Bob broke it"
Nifal/Qal Passive: Passive Simple - "Bob was broken"
Piel/Polel/Poel/Palel/Pilpel/Pealal: Active, Intensive - "Bob REALLY broke it"
Pual/Polal/Poal/Pulal: Passive, Intensive - "Bob was REALLY broken"
Hifil/Tifil: Active, Causative - "Bob caused it to break"
Hofal/Hotpaal: Passive, Causative - "Bob caused it to be broken"
Hitpael/Hitpalpel/Hishtafel: Reflexive - "Bob caused himself broken"

Am I right so far?

I have just three items I need clarified:
Pilel: According to George its a hybrid, according to Lloyd it is the same as Piel.
Polpal: According to George its the same as Piel, according to Lloyd it is the same as Pual.
Nitpael: According to George its "intensive passive (half nifal, half piel)". Wouldn't that make it the same as Pual?


Thanks again for the help!!!


B"H
John

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