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  • From: Olivier Randrianjaka <rev_oli AT hotmail.com>
  • To: <jaihare AT gmail.com>, b-hebrew Forum <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Verb Stems Confusion
  • Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:25:02 +0800


Hi all of you!!
I am looking for the most recent works concerning Word pairs studies in
Biblical as well as in ancient Semitic literatures, CAN ANYONE HELP?
Thanks a lot.

Olivier Randrianjaka
PhD Student at
Mission School and TheologyStavanger, Norway
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:02:42 +0200> From: jaihare AT gmail.com> To:
> b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Verb Stems Confusion> >
> John,> > I have a feeling you're going to continue to be disappointed in
> your> wait. What you're asking is how to translate FORMS, but forms do not>
> have translations. You cannot translate the hiphil form into English.> It
> doesn't *mean* anything. You need to ask a question about a> specific word
> that's found in the form in the Tanakh. That's a much> better question.> >
> We can translate words based on (1) form, (2) context and (3) other> uses
> of the same word in different contexts. We cannot translate a> form itself
> into English. I don't understand the problem. Perhaps it's> one of
> exposure. You need to start exposing yourself to actual WORDS> in Hebrew as
> they fall into these various forms. Once you read these> forms (binyanim)
> with actual roots and context, it will make sense to> you.> > I believe
> that all serious grammars of ivrit mikra'it (Biblical> Hebrew) treat these
> minor binyanim at some point. I'm sure they give> examples and context for
> each one. I don't have a biblical Hebrew> grammar with me at the moment,
> but if you look through whichever one> you have, I'm sure you can find
> references. Maybe someone here can> provide a reference for you.> >
> Essentially, what I'm saying is that you should not ask how to> translate a
> binyan, since that doesn't even make sense. נכנס /nichnas/> NKNS is a
> niphal form meaning "he entered," which translates nothing> like נאכל
> /ne'echal/ N'KL "it was eaten." There is no standard> translation for a
> binyan. It depends on the root and the meaning in a> given context. I hope
> this makes sense to you.> > Regards,> Jason Hare> Rehovot, Israel> > On
> Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com> wrote:> > Hello all,>
> >> > Still waiting for an answer to how to translate the following forms,
> and> > if any are the same as the "big 7":> > qal passive, pilel, tifil,
> polpal, hotpaal, hishtafel, and nitpael> >> > Thanks in advance.> >> > B"H>
> > John Steven> >> > "He who makes a mistake is still our friend; he who
> adds to or shortens> > a melody is still our friend; but he who violates a
> rhythm unawares can> > no longer be our friend."> > -Ishaq Ibn Ibrahim
> 767-850 CE.> >> > "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by
> believing as you> > behave."> > -Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen> >> > "The
> difference between the intelligent man and the simpleton is not the> >
> correctness of their decisions, but rather the cunning sinner can more> >
> skillfully defend and justify his iniquity."> > - Rabbi Tovia Singer>
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