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  • From: DSanner106 AT aol.com
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate
  • Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:31:19 EST

I try to watch international news on this type of story and BBC America
showed the interview, I think about a week ago. I have attached a UK news
story on the press release over there. US media is not going to pick up this
sort of thing of course, but other countries are reporting it.In re-reading
the written article I now see they destroyed source data up to 150 years old.

_http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece_
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece)

I was not implying that private sector funding is perfect, that is not
involved here so not important. I was merely pointing out that there are
obvious problems with government funding when politics are involved. We
should be
able to take science at face value but cannot as long as data is
manipulated to assure government favored results are reached. Though I
remember
other things I distrusted released info on during the Bush years, I really
don't remember a big anti global warming push supported by fake science, as
we
see here.

We need an independent scientific academy, not funded by political dollars,
but operating from a pool gathered from ALL public and private research
entities. Similar things exist in other countries and essentially apply a
seal of approval that the scientific method has been followed and the study
is
legitimate. No conclusions drawn, merely sanctioning the study. Studies
that are not run through the academy would not carry the same degree of
faith.

Drew


In a message dated 12/11/2009 2:55:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

DH is a news junkie. He watches all the channels. Where did you see the
interview where the director is supposed to have said they destroyed data?
I'd like to read the transcript.

So, what would you prefer, private industry funding? Cookie sales?

The ol' follow the money applies to ALL scientific research! And, during
the Bush years the scientists that were cheered on said that global
warming
didn't exist.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con. A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them." Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: <DSanner106 AT aol.com>


> It is true, I saw an interview with the director who said they had
> destroyed all gathered data from the 80's forward that they used to
draw
> their
> conclusions from. This is the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Scientists
> who
> disagreed were fired and silenced. Papers with opposing views were not
> published. We will see a wave of scientists with opposing views coming
> forward.
> I even saw Al Gore, verbally admit that in the past the rise in CO2
> levels
> followed, rather than proceeded global warming and may be a result rather
> than a cause.
>
> As the son of a top research scientist, I can attest to many occasions on
> which he was upset over the manipulation of data to assure further
funding
> of projects. Climatologists have had to scratch out funding in the
past,
> but
> their profession is hot right now and the sky is the limit on funding as
> long as the crisis continues. I lived through the whole "CO2 levels are
> causing the coming of the next ice age" scare in the 70's. My father
said
> that
> was fake and sure enough, it was. Now the same data is being rolled out
> as
> proof of global warming. The real shame of this is we have no idea which
> scientists to trust going forward. Science is supposed to be pure and
> politics should not play a role, but as long as government funding is
> used to pay
> for the research we will have conflicts of interest.
>
> Drew
>
>
> In a message dated 12/10/2009 3:27:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> cayadopi AT yahoo.com writes:
>
> Chris writes: "...However, that is NOT to say that anthropogenic
> greenhouse warming is NOT a problem. I think that it clearly has been
> shown... "
>
>
> I disagree. I do not believe it has been "clearly shown". The whole
> scandal in "climate-gate", the hacked e-mails from the global warming
> scientists are at the beginning phase of unraveling a collusion by
> climate
> scientsist to WITHHOLD information that contains any data contrary to
> their global
> warming theory. Withholding scientific data leads me to instantly
> question
> the results of their conclusions. How can you arrive at specific
> conclusions based on one-sided data?
>
> When I first posted "climate-gate" there wasn't any US media coverage
> besides Fox. This a/m I'm seeing it on NBC news. So it seems that at

> least
> 1 other regular TV station is reporting the scandal besides Fox. I've
> been out of town most of the last 5 weeks, and I'm behind on some
things,
> especially TV watchings, which I don't do much of anyway.
>
> Now it will be interesting to see what comes of the latest rumor, the
> reports that scientists from the E. Aglia Climatic Research Unit have
> admitted
> to destroying the raw data used to arrive at their conclusions, which
> means
> other scientists can not check their work.
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Clarke <hstead AT nc.rr.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 2:10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate
>
> However, that is NOT to say that anthropogenic greenhouse warming is
NOT
> a
> problem. I think that it clearly has been shown.
>
>
>
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