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  • From: Andrew <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>
  • To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] i386 ISO
  • Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:57:17 -0800

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Benoit PAPILLAULT wrote:
> I talked to Unet few days ago and he will be busy with work and thesis
> up to February or March apparently. Our Roadmap is to make a 1.0 release
> on 2005-04-03. So, this will let only one month or two to gather the
> work made by the Cauldron Team Members and produce a working ISO.

Perhaps then, someone such as our project lead can step in a rectify this,
or act at the temporary cauldron lead for now to guide the team.

I also think that our 1.0 goal is not attainable given the state things
are in now. Its not anyones fault really, I just think we miss-assessed
how much work there was to be done and how quickly it could get done.
There hasnt been much feedback from the iso team at either of the big
meetings where the date was set, and then agreed to still be do-able,
that date is basically when I thought we'd be done with sorcery features
for 1.0.

> (http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7911). And right now, we
> have no beta testers.

I subtly have been volunteering to be a tester, but I guess I'll say it
formally now "I will help beta-test the isos". However I urge everyone
reading this who has a second box, or hard drive, or even partition,
to also participate in beta testing. The future of this distribution
depends on your help...allow me to explain

<soapbox>
we cant have a good iso unless its well tested
without a good iso users will get discouraged installing the system
if users get discouraged installing it, they wont use it and they'll tell
everyone else it sucks
if we dont have any new users we wont have (many) new developers
without new developers ... well you know the rest :)

on the other hand..
if everyone tests the iso we can have it be much higher quality
with a good iso more users will install the system when we announce the isos
with more users we increase our "evangelical network"
which means some of them will convince their friends to install smgl without
us having to advertise
also, more users means more developers
more developers means a better distribution
</soapbox>

>
> Another point. Along all those discussions, we have changed from
> building a working ISO used to install Source Mage to producing a nice
> and portable script that will let anyone do its own ISO. This is not the
> same goal even if the former requires the latter (or part of it).
>

I agree that they are not the same goal, but the alterior motive is
that this would help the collaboration problem, its a forcing function. If
your goal is just to make an iso, you'll never do it, theres no reason
to. However if thats your main goal then you guys can arrive at a
point where you can both make basically the same thing the same way
on any machine (ie, your own and dkowis's server) then it'd be easier
for you guys to work on things together. You'd have the same code-base,
and you'd know that if you fixed something one place it'd probably show
up at the other.

-Andrew

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