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  • From: Eric Sandall <eric AT sandall.us>
  • To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] i386 ISO
  • Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:46:01 -0800

Quoting Andrew <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>:
> On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Benoit PAPILLAULT wrote:
> > I talked to Unet few days ago and he will be busy with work and thesis
> > up to February or March apparently. Our Roadmap is to make a 1.0 release
> > on 2005-04-03. So, this will let only one month or two to gather the
> > work made by the Cauldron Team Members and produce a working ISO.
>
> Perhaps then, someone such as our project lead can step in a rectify this,
> or act at the temporary cauldron lead for now to guide the team.

I've been in contact with Kevin (Unet) about getting the ISO going. He says he
has an e-mail he's working on to send to the list that will address this.

> I also think that our 1.0 goal is not attainable given the state things
> are in now. Its not anyones fault really, I just think we miss-assessed
> how much work there was to be done and how quickly it could get done.
> There hasnt been much feedback from the iso team at either of the big
> meetings where the date was set, and then agreed to still be do-able,
> that date is basically when I thought we'd be done with sorcery features
> for 1.0.

Is Sorcery still on track for the 1.0 release date? The grimoire still has
lots
of bugs open and the ISO doesn't have a 1.0 test out yet to hammer out any
bugs, which I'd like to see soon.

> > (http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7911). And right now, we
> > have no beta testers.
>
> I subtly have been volunteering to be a tester, but I guess I'll say it
> formally now "I will help beta-test the isos". However I urge everyone
> reading this who has a second box, or hard drive, or even partition,
> to also participate in beta testing. The future of this distribution
> depends on your help...allow me to explain

Many of us will probably help test once a test ISO is released. I have some
machines I could test on if I hook them up.

> <soapbox>
> we cant have a good iso unless its well tested
> without a good iso users will get discouraged installing the system
> if users get discouraged installing it, they wont use it and they'll tell
> everyone else it sucks
> if we dont have any new users we wont have (many) new developers
> without new developers ... well you know the rest :)
>
> on the other hand..
> if everyone tests the iso we can have it be much higher quality
> with a good iso more users will install the system when we announce the isos
> with more users we increase our "evangelical network"
> which means some of them will convince their friends to install smgl without
> us having to advertise
> also, more users means more developers
> more developers means a better distribution
> </soapbox>

Yes, the chicken and egg that we've talked about before. We usually have a
small
trickle of new developers come in every now and then so we do continue to grow
and get "new blood", but we could use a larger plasma transfusion.

I've been thinking (and I believe it's come up before) that perhaps we should
have some announcements about wanting help for our 1.0 target and see what we
can get?

> > Another point. Along all those discussions, we have changed from
> > building a working ISO used to install Source Mage to producing a nice
> > and portable script that will let anyone do its own ISO. This is not the
> > same goal even if the former requires the latter (or part of it).
> >
>
> I agree that they are not the same goal, but the alterior motive is
> that this would help the collaboration problem, its a forcing function. If
> your goal is just to make an iso, you'll never do it, theres no reason
> to. However if thats your main goal then you guys can arrive at a
> point where you can both make basically the same thing the same way
> on any machine (ie, your own and dkowis's server) then it'd be easier
> for you guys to work on things together. You'd have the same code-base,
> and you'd know that if you fixed something one place it'd probably show
> up at the other.

I agree with Andrew here: we need an easy way to make an ISO so that anyone
who
wants to could make one, then the goals of fixing/updating/etc. the ISO are
easy and no longer this problem of figuring out how to make an ISO, what needs
updating, switching ISO layouts, etc.

-sandalle

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Eric Sandall | Source Mage GNU/Linux Developer
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http://eric.sandall.us/ | SysAdmin @ Inst. Shock Physics @ WSU
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