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[Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>]

Many years ago, 1980 something, I was the chairman of the Salt Lake 
County Libertarian party.  Being a studious sort, I was reading the 
actual election laws and discovered that I could demand a test of the 
voting apparatus.  So we trooped down to the County offices and applied 
for the test. They gave us a bunch of ballots to punch. We punched them, 
counted them by hand, gave them to the clerk, they were run through the 
machine, and the total did not match our total.  So we hand counted 
again, this time with the assistance of the clerk's staff, and the 
machine total still did not match our total.  Much chagrin all around.

I had brought with me one of our members who was for the time anyway a 
major computer geek.  he spent some time chatting with their chief 
programmer, and afterwards he said, "Bob, there is no way that this 
system could be tested and verified as accurate. There are too many 
places where it could be finagled with." Further, he didn't think it 
would be possible to ever design a computerized voting system that could 
not be rigged or otherwise finagled.

Bob Waldrop, Okie City


On 7/29/2016 11:41 PM, Steve Hart wrote:
> One day we will learn that elections are a farce . do you know who counts
> the votes. They are all rigged. The Bilderberg reality is closer to the
> mark.
>
> As for imperilaism..thats been the plan since WWII. I prefer to call it
> MacDonaldisation.
>
> As far as a Future Plan is concerned I'm still looking for traction on the
> suggested Advanced Design Course pre IOPC13 in India...attached...we could
> vary it a little...Steve Hart
>
> On 30 July 2016 at 16:24, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:04 PM, <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:
> >
> > > If you are worried about interference in third world countries then
> > > Hillary is your pick.  Her interference in Honduras has created a monster
> > > dictatorship of mayhem.  Her support of the Iraqi war That destroyed that
> > > country and ultimately Syria was unconscionable.  This woman has never
> > seen
> > > a war she didn't like.
> > You left out Libya, Gadaffi, the irrigation canal, the hitech weapons from
> > EU manufacturers, the billions in gold bricks, brown and root, revitalized
> > agriculture for libya-greening the desert with aquifer water from afar, the
> > pan african union, new currency and banking system.
> >
> > > As far as financial finagling is concerned the USA is the master of the
> > > World Bank,
> > If this is true then it is shared now with England.
> >
> >
> > > and other development banks that destroy other countries and cultures by
> > > forcing them into debt through development loans for projects that
> > support
> > > the ruling elites of  the debtor nation while impoverishing its citizens.
> > > Hillary has never met a banker that she didn't like.
> > >
> > > Trump is just as narcissistic as Trump but smarter.  Neither of them
> > could
> > > run a school board let alone a country.  Hillary and her hubby Bill
> > became
> > > multi-millionaires through their service to this country and are looking
> > > for more from her presidency.
> > Most of us here have been aware of all you have said for a good while. It
> > is all over the Web, in every nook and cranny. Those of us who choose to
> > vote Democrat as the lesser of two evils (my apologies to Cthulhu for being
> > left out) may well have to fight being overcome with cognitive dissonance
> > in doing so.
> > This time not voting is not an option for those adhering to the liberal
> > agenda, much less the permaculture one. I refer you to the Bertold Brecht
> > saying again.
> > Voting for Trump gets you written off as a GOP pawn or worse, stooge. I
> > adhere to the Democratic party for its support of countries, our friends
> > who might
> > have to deal with the overtly evil expantionist empire building of Russia
> > (Putins thugs to be precise). I don't give a damn who the US elects to lead
> > the country as long as they continue support for our allies. This is rarely
> > talked about in the context of current election campaigning. Too often
> > straw man arguments dominate the debate..
> >
> > All of us would prefer green candidates, Nader, Bernie, Green Party and all
> > the other candidates mentioned so far. In the current political climate the
> > cost of getting our people elected is, in practical terms, out of reach.
> > What should our vision of the future be in terms of political involvement
> > and progress in the political spectrum? What plan do we follow?  One option
> > is presenting another Bernie candidate and glean more grass roots low
> > dollar campaign financing.
> > Convince people like me to vote that way instead of voting Clinton just to
> > prevent a Trump win, as I did.
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence F. London
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
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