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[dhondt <dhondt@eircom.net>]

Toby and Lawrence,

In an age where a five year old with a laptop can hack one of your 
voting computers in minutes and from a fair distance there are quite a 
few people who do not think it matters at all which way you vote. 
Clinton was promised the presidency by the super rich, The 50 or so 
names that own 75 % of all the world and that is what will come to pass 
come hell or high water.

The election is a show with the script all written and done. Sure, the 
tension will be kept up until the last moment but the end is already 
final. It gives the masses of "voters" something to get excited about 
and  way to hang on to their belief they live in a democracy.
I think Trump is there to make people actually happy when Clinton 
emerges as the winner and it gives her more leeway as a president. Sure 
she is doing bad things but imagine how much worse Trump would have been...

You probably want to go on believing for it is almost impossible to let 
go of a belief. Remember the coin tosses that took place in one of the 
primaries that would decide how many delegates Clinton or Sanders would 
get? Clinton won all 16 of them. Not completely statistically impossible 
but only highly unlikely.

IN the mean time both candidates are making money. I received some 60 
mails here in Ireland to urgently support Clinton with a donation 
varying between $1 and $ 250. Trump had just made millions from his cash 
drive and the danger was high that he would win if the Democrats would 
do less. She has taken up Sander's way of soliciting grass roots money. 
If I get tens of mails per day soliciting urgent contributions you can 
be sure that millions of Americans are actually donating to a billionaire.

We had a joke here during the one before last pope election in the 
Vatican where Ratsinger was elected eventually. "Do these Cardinals vote 
by computer? Then we know who the next Pope will be.... George Bush of 
course."

So we will get Clinton no matter what. And she is already talking about 
nuclear war with Russia and/or China and that may very well be the end 
of the world as we have known it. It will most definitely not benefit 
your friends in Scandinavia, the Ukrain and the Baltic countries and 
others like me and mine or even you Lawrence.
And she will push for more fracking and approve the "Trade agreements" 
that are not really about trade but about giving the super corporations 
free reign over nations. 4 years of that will change the world in ways 
we can not imagine.

John

On 30/07/16 01:57, Toby Hemenway wrote:
> Unfortunately, in the real world, every vote from a liberal that is not for 
> Clinton helps Trump, just as Ralph Nader helped put Bush in the White House 
> in 2000. How sad that voting your conscience creates just the opposite.
>
> Clinton is loathsome. But Trump terrifies me.
>
> But really this is my excuse to share something on a much lighter note: 
> Lawrence, you will love this. I saw a bumper sticker that had an American 
> flag shaped like some tentacled beast, and it said
>
> “Cthulhu in 2016. Why settle for the _lesser_ of two evils?”
>
> Toby
>
> > On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:22 PM, dhondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30/07/16 00:45, Lawrence London wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:59 PM, dhondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > I suppose you don't realize what you choose for Lawrence. I do not doubt
> > > > she will be the next president of your country. In that case she may very
> > > > well be the last president too.
> > > That's a hell of a note, predictng the demise of the U.S.A.
> > Are you certain you will survive WW3 that Clinton has already promised to 
> > start without delay once she is president?
> > And If it comes to that I fully expect to be molten ash here in Europe before 
> > the US goes up in flames.
> > > I know exactly what I am doing voting for her. Would anyne in their right
> > > mond vote for Trump? Do we have much of a choice?
> > Well, there is the Green Party and Jill Stein. Another woman and someone who 
> > even knows about permaculture and is willing to push that.
> > And yes if the only choice were Clinton or Trump I would think Trump the 
> > safer choice for the planet.
> > Not that what I or you wish makes any difference. Clinton was promised the 
> > presidency 8 years ago at the then Bilderberg conference. That is, the 200 
> > richest people in the world making a decision that Clinton now will be 
> > president. I fully expect she will be because of this and all the 
> > puppeteering in the mean time are just to keep the masses amused.
> > > Should we not vote at all? If so I refer you to what Bertold Brecht said
> > > about nonvoters. I don't care to drop out for that litany of
> > > moral rightness reasons. I choose to participate, cast my vote and take my
> > > chances. Did you vote yes on Brexit? Or not vote.
> > I live in Ireland that has nothing to do with Brexit.
> > > A Democratic win means support for my friends all over Europe and Eastern
> > > Europe, Scandinavia, the Baltics,Ukraine, Turkey, Greece and Georgia.
> > >
> > > Do you support this group? You should.
> > > Free Russia Foundation http://www.4freerussia.org/
> > > putin.war http://www.4freerussia.org/putin.war/ “The task of the opposition
> > > now is education and truth. And the truth is that Putin equals war and
> > > crisis.” Boris Nemtsov The idea for this report belongs to Boris Nemtsov.
> > >
> > > Your dire, negative armageddon-like prediction and warning leaves me cold.
> > > It smacks of political quackery.
> > > Are you one of the cup half full people or cup half empty ones?
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