permaculture

[<scott@permaculture.org>]

I  don't know how to make it any clearer: This recent thread is all about 
permaculture, it concerns the future of permacultaure and is much more 
important than instructions on how to prune a Pawpaw tree.  Without the 
ethics of permaculture there is no permaculture, just another gardening 
discussion.  Life is not "just" about how to sharpen colters to get cleaner 
planting rows, nor how to make maple syrup it is also about how to deal  with 
greed, how to share resources and information and much much more.

Thanks,


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>  To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>  Subject: Re: [permaculture] Is it Satirical irony or
>  Sent: Jul 15 '16 15:16
>  
>  On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:08 AM, scrooge McDuck <declan@planetmail.net>
>  wrote:
>  
>  >
>  > Can I make an appeal for constructive discussion of PERMACULTURE?
>  
>  
>  I just addressed this in several recent posts. Read and comment.
>  I agree with you wholeheartedly. The list was formed in 1992 and
>  PERMACULTURE was the only topic discussed and this wen n for many years.
>  After that valued poster began peeling off because of too much non positive
>  feedback or too many off topic articles or whatever it was, maybe not
>  enough PERMACULTURE discussion.
>  
>  Can we have more hands on discussion about all aspects of permaculture from
>  ethics ro earthworks to aquaponics now?
>  If anyone is interested in holding forth about nutrition, food and diet for
>  permaculturists I have another list just for that,
>  
>  pchealth posting address for subscribers: pchealth@lists.ibiblio.org,
>  Permaculturist Health mailing list {} The Message Archives
>  https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/pchealth/
>  The List Homepage
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>  Permaculturist Health is a forum for discussion and information exchange on
>  a wide range of health and nutrition issues faced by those involved in any
>  way with the global permaculture movement.
>  
>  While looking for that I found a great website that Toby has created:
>  
>  What Permaculture Isn’t—and Is November 28, 2012 By Toby Hemenway
>  <http://tobyhemenway.com/author/tobyhemenway/>
>  http://tobyhemenway.com/668-what-permaculture-isnt-and-is/
>  And I quote without permission this amazing paragraph from Toby, right in
>  sync with ongoing discussion threads, so to open yet another huge can of
>  worms:
>  "Permaculture is notoriously hard to define. A recent survey
>  
><http://liberationecology.org/2012/11/14/wait-youre-studying-what-again-part-2/>
>  shows that people simultaneously believe it is a design approach, a
>  philosophy, a movement, and a set of practices. This broad and
>  contradiction-laden brush doesn’t just make permaculture hard to describe.
>  It can be off-putting, too. Let’s say you first encounter permaculture as a
>  potent method of food production and are just starting to grasp that it is
>  more than that, when someone tells you that it also includes goddess
>  spirituality, and anti-GMO activism, and barefoot living. What would you
>  make of that? And how many people think they’ve finally got the politics of
>  permaculturists all figured out, and assume that we would logically also be
>  vegetarians, only to find militant meat-eaters in the ranks? What kind of
>  philosophy could possibly umbrella all those divergent views? Or is it a
>  philosophy at all? I’m going to argue here that the most accurate and least
>  muddled way to think of permaculture is as a design approach, and that we
>  are often misdirected by the fact that it fits into a larger philosophy and
>  movement which it supports. But it is not that philosophy or movement. It
>  is a design approach for realizing a new paradigm. And we’ll find that this
>  way of defining it is also a balm to those in other ecological design
>  fields and technologies who get annoyed, understandably, when
>  permaculturists tell them, “Oh, yes, your work is part of permaculture,
>  too.”"
>  
>  If someone feels we need warning about a certain dangerous Permaculture
>  > sharks references to online sources are a better approach than one sided
>  > polemics.
>  
>  
>  Another huge can of worms has been opened. May peop0le feel that it is
>  important to maintain high quality standards for permaculture definition,
>  education and practice. I think this is super important and that is an
>  understatement. I could go on for pages why I feel this to be true. Many
>  maintain that there are certain businesses misrepresenting their work as
>  true permaculture when in reality they are poseurs out for money first and
>  permaculture last. That is why warnings are posted from time to time.  A
>  bit off the edge analogy:
>  As in Alien: Nostromo is committed to investigate any signals coming from
>  an external source during our voyage..........
>  ......Mother has analysed the signal and says that it is a warning, we
>  should contact our friends and let them know......Ash: "well there's no
>  need to alert the exploration crew, they will know soon enough when they
>  get to their destination".
>  Maintenance of permaculture standards gets more important every month and
>  every year and for so many super important reasons.
>  
>  We should all collaborate on a book to complement Scott's or write our own.
>  Mine would be about permaculture standards and why they are important.
>  
>  LL
>  
>  
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