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[Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

Here are some interesting trends. The reading list at the Univ of Virginia 
Darden Business School course "New Models of Business":

Conscious Capitalism: Liberating the Heroic Spirit of Business, published by 
Harvard Business Press.
Managing for Stakeholders: Survival, Reputation and Success, published by 
Yale University Press.
Stakeholder Theory: The State of the Art, published by Cambridge University 
Press in early 2010.
Strategic Management: A Stakeholder Approach, published by Cambridge 
University Press.
(one concept is to avoid tradeoffs between stakeholders - i.e polluting a 
water supply in order to meet shareholder demands is not acceptable - a 
solution must be found for all stakeholders)
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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I agree with Chris.  Not all capitalism is created equal.  I personally 
believe that money is not inherently evil, except that which is supported by 
debt... which I guess is most currency.  But anyways money is energy and we 
are all about abundance right?  I know if many of us had millions of dollars 
we would do some pretty awesome stuff.  So why not have that resource to 
utilize for the benefit of all?

IMO it is how you go about being a capitalist.  There are examples of 
righteous capitalists much like righteous monarchies, just like there are 
abusive examples.  I believe that sometimes the power needs to be 
concentrated in the hands of one or a few for the sake of getting things 
done.  Cooperatives could get bulky- though I am not opposed to the idea.  
Chris brought up a great cultural challenge- ie its all about context.

A bloke I heard talk from NZ who puts together what is akin in their country 
to Community Land Trusts is totally against consensus.  He said it blocks the 
process.  So at first he develops the projects as a capitalist model (top 
down) to get it set up correctly (as he has the experience and knowledge of 
the big picture) and then turns it over to the "commons" once it is up and 
running (bottom up).  But he is relatively righteous about it.  

In the end I think it boils down to character and ethics.  What kind of 
behaviors are we rewarding in our children?  What values and ethics will they 
learn to promote in their later life that will lead to creating regenerative 
systems, economic and otherwise?  Unfortunately, the majority of the world in 
under the spell of money, so we need to acknowledge this and work within this 
awareness.

I am working on a model that addresses an issue that Rafter pointed out very 
succinctly- that: "We need new strategies for scaling up from gardens."  I 
wholeheartedly agree.  There really is an opportunity to retrofit commercial 
commodity based agriculture to be more diversified, and make money doing it.  
I am focusing specifically on a strategy to diversify monocrop orchards and I 
call it "Integrated Orchard Systems".  Others call it "layered ag" or the 
like, but it is different from food forestry.  

The strategy works the capitalist angle to "convince" conventional farmers to 
diversify crops and interplant (or add in animals) in order to maximize 
profit and reduce costs (after all we exist in a capitalist system and 
farmers are often slaves to it).  The bonus is that the rest of us benefit 
from this increase in diversity through ecological resiliency, plus resources 
are used more efficiently as water and fertilizer is distributed to all of 
the crops.

Here is a little excerpt from an article I am writing on the subject:





















"[An Integrated Orchard System] differs from a “food forest” in that it is 
designed to
facilitate ease of management and harvest, while increasing diversity of 
income and species. 
A food forest may have a “random” or “chaotic” design, which, while
mimicking nature, is less efficient to manage than commercial agriculture
systems.  It is no doubt that
industrialized agriculture has perfected efficiency, with 1 farmer managing
hundreds or thousands of acres through petroleum powered machines, with its 
inherent environmental, economic, and social issues.  

One goal of IOS’s is to maximize the return
on energy invested in a system, by designing the systems so that it is ordered
(in rows or groupings) for ease of harvest and management, thereby making 
more of each
pass.  The result is increased resilience both ecologically and economically 
of the farm, and also increased ecosystem health." 

Of course this concept is nothing new to most of you, being 
permaculturalists.  But my goal is to present this concept to commodity 
farmers by at least speaking (a little known dialect of) their language- so 
they can understand and hopefully convert.  Then we will work on getting them 
to go organic/regenerative.  Baby steps.  This is how I hope to initiate 
change on the large scale, by retrofitting existing systems as opposed to 
starting over.

We will get nowhere by holding stances that create divides, "-ism schisms".  
Our skill as designers is to work with what we have and "Create the LEAST 
change for greatest overall effect".  Completely starting over is not the 
least change.








Thanks for the "food for thought", Rafter.  Great topic that needs to be 
addressed in our community.
                          
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Other aspects of new business models are:
Feedback loop from critics embraced and used to improve model (accepting 
feedback loop and self-regulating, and the problem is the solution)
Creating strategy around interrelationship of stakeholders (integrate, don't 
segregate)
Observe and interact (deep surveys, interviews of clients)
Capture and store energy (waste stream repurpose/recycle/redesign)
Creatively respond to change 
Stack functions
Pattern to detail
etc

The three ethics are embodied in B Corp value, employee ownership, rejection 
of unlimited growth as a goal, new forms of business goalmaking, etc. Of 
course, we well understand there is hypocrisy there; false reports, etc. But 
companies are also feeling pressure and some are responding. I'm always 
looking for ways to increase that pressure and won't stop unless or until 
there is real ethics being practiced. I personally believe that the economic 
"ism" that is being used is not as important as the quality of the system 
design. None of the "isms" really cut it without great permaculture design. 
 

Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and 
Capitalism
 


Here are some interesting trends. The reading list at the Univ of Virginia 
Darden Business School course "New Models of Business":

Conscious Capitalism: Liberating the Heroic Spirit of Business, published by 
Harvard Business Press.
Managing for Stakeholders: Survival, Reputation and Success, published by 
Yale University Press.
Stakeholder Theory: The State of the Art, published by Cambridge University 
Press in early 2010.
Strategic Management: A Stakeholder Approach, published by Cambridge 
University Press.
(one concept is to avoid tradeoffs between stakeholders - i.e polluting a 
water supply in order to meet shareholder demands is not acceptable - a 
solution must be found for all stakeholders)
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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To: Permaculture Listserve <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and 
Capitalism
 

I agree with Chris.  Not all capitalism is created equal.  I personally 
believe that money is not inherently evil, except that which is supported by 
debt... which I guess is most currency.  But anyways money is energy and we 
are all about abundance right?  I know if many of us had millions of dollars 
we would do some pretty awesome stuff.  So why not have that resource to 
utilize for the benefit of all?

IMO it is how you go about being a capitalist.  There are examples of 
righteous capitalists much like righteous monarchies, just like there are 
abusive
 examples.  I believe that sometimes the power needs to be concentrated in 
the hands of one or a few for the sake of getting things done.  Cooperatives 
could get bulky- though I am not opposed to the idea.  Chris brought up a 
great cultural challenge- ie its all about context.

A bloke I heard talk from NZ who puts together what is akin in their country 
to Community Land Trusts is totally against consensus.  He said it blocks the 
process.  So at first he develops the projects as a capitalist model (top 
down) to get it set up correctly (as he has the experience and knowledge of 
the big picture) and then turns it over to the "commons" once it is up and 
running (bottom up).  But he is relatively righteous about it.  

In the end I think it boils down to character and ethics.  What kind of 
behaviors are we rewarding in our children?  What values and ethics will they 
learn to promote in their later life
 that will lead to creating regenerative systems, economic and otherwise?  
Unfortunately, the majority of the world in under the spell of money, so we 
need to acknowledge this and work within this awareness.

I am working on a model that addresses an issue that Rafter pointed out very 
succinctly- that: "We need new strategies for scaling up from gardens."  I 
wholeheartedly agree.  There really is an opportunity to retrofit commercial 
commodity based agriculture to be more diversified, and make money doing it.  
I am focusing specifically on a strategy to diversify monocrop orchards and I 
call it "Integrated Orchard Systems".  Others call it "layered ag" or the 
like, but it is different from food forestry.  

The strategy works the capitalist angle to "convince" conventional farmers to 
diversify crops and interplant (or add in animals) in order to maximize 
profit and reduce costs (after all we exist in a capitalist
 system and farmers are often slaves to it).  The bonus is that the rest of 
us benefit from this increase in diversity through ecological resiliency, 
plus resources are used more efficiently as water and fertilizer is 
distributed to all of the crops.

Here is a little excerpt from an article I am writing on the subject:





















"[An Integrated Orchard System] differs from a “food forest” in that it is 
designed to
facilitate ease of management and harvest, while increasing diversity of 
income and species. 
A food forest may have a “random” or “chaotic” design, which, while
mimicking nature, is less efficient to manage than commercial agriculture
systems.  It is no doubt that
industrialized agriculture has perfected efficiency, with 1 farmer managing
hundreds or thousands of acres through petroleum powered machines, with its 
inherent
 environmental, economic, and social issues.  

One goal of IOS’s is to maximize the return
on energy invested in a system, by designing the systems so that it is ordered
(in rows or groupings) for ease of harvest and management, thereby making 
more of each
pass.  The result is increased resilience both ecologically and economically 
of the farm, and also increased ecosystem health." 

Of course this concept is nothing new to most of you, being 
permaculturalists.  But my goal is to present this concept to commodity 
farmers by at least speaking (a little known dialect of) their language- so 
they can understand and hopefully convert.  Then we will work on getting them 
to go organic/regenerative.  Baby steps.  This is how I hope to initiate 
change on the large scale, by retrofitting existing systems as opposed to 
starting over.

We will get nowhere by holding stances that create divides, "-ism
 schisms".  Our skill as designers is to work with what we have and "Create 
the LEAST change for greatest overall effect".  Completely starting over is 
not the least change.








Thanks for the "food for thought", Rafter.  Great topic that needs to be 
addressed in our community.
                          
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Other aspects of new business models are:
> Feedback loop from critics embraced and used to improve model (accepting
> feedback loop and self-regulating, and the problem is the solution)
> Creating strategy around interrelationship of stakeholders (integrate,
> don't segregate)
> Observe and interact (deep surveys, interviews of clients)
> Capture and store energy (waste stream repurpose/recycle/redesign)
> Creatively respond to change
> Stack functions
> Pattern to detail
> etc
>
> The three ethics are embodied in B Corp value, employee ownership,
> rejection of unlimited growth as a goal, new forms of business goalmaking,
> etc. Of course, we well understand there is hypocrisy there; false reports,
> etc. But companies are also feeling pressure and some are responding. I'm
> always looking for ways to increase that pressure and won't stop unless or
> until there is real ethics being practiced. I personally believe that the
> economic "ism" that is being used is not as important as the quality of the
> system design. None of the "isms" really cut it without great permaculture
> design.
>
>
> Koreen Brennan
>

That is amazing and really great, in-depth thinking, employing the creative
process throughout. It shows yet again that permaculture dominates and that
ethics drive the whole systems thinking process.

Great post. {If this list had such features] I would give it an upvote and
an 5/10 rating. Reddit does this but does not have email or as effective an
archival system as a list such as this one.

LL