permaculture

[loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>]

Hi Koreen-

You could try to catch some atmospheric moisture to water the trees.  A shade 
cloth shelter on the upwind side will block the wind, offer some shade, and 
also act as a dew fence- if there is any moisture in the wind when it blows 
it will condense on the fabric and drip to wherever you direct it.  You can 
get big rolls of shade cloth for pretty cheap, and can use rebar to stake- 3 
x 4 ft pieces/ tree.  Alternatively if you can get ahold of bamboo that may 
suffice and be cheaper, but may not hold up in big winds.

If you have rocks available they are great mulch.  Stacks of them will also 
condense atmospheric moisture.  There was a thread on them recently- air 
wells. really labor intensive obviously but permanent.

The "waterboxx" is another gadget to catch dew, but their $30/ea price tag is 
a little expensive.  They have an agenda to replant 2 billion hectares with 
their planting technique.  Maybe  they would donate 600 units!?
http://www.groasis.com/en/summary/summary-of-the-groasis-technology

The idea is surface area catches water, especially if there is a temperature 
gradient like when dew condenses on metal at night because the metal is 
colder than the air.  You could accomplish this on the cheap with corrugated 
roofing or metal sheeting shaped into funnels around the bases of trees to 
direct dew to the roots.  

Not sure how realistic any of these would be on the rez.  Of course all this 
also depends on their being moisture in the air.  Maybe try it out on a few 
and see how it goes.

cheers-
Loren Luyendyk
805-452-8249
Permaculture Design and Education
ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
www.sborganics.com
www.globalpermaculture.com
www.surferswithoutborders.com


> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:09:32 -0700
> From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drylands water capture question
> 
> You have a mustang!  Amazing creatures aren't they?  Thank you much for 
> sharing your favorite alnifolias. I think we did actually get a Regent last 
> year so now I'll take a good look when I go up. You're growing passion 
> flower as an annual? I tried to get seed started up there one year but was 
> doing too much else to pay attention, it didn't take off. Does it fruit in 
> the season you have, or do you extend with greenhouse?  Yum!
>  
> Koreen Brennan
> 
> www.growpermaculture.com
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> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Jason Gerhardt <jasongerhardt@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org 
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Drylands water capture question
>  
> 
> Koreen,
> I here ya on the black locust and toxicity. I've had a mustang for the last
> 8 years and know the sensitivity of the horses gut well. Though mustangs
> are much hardier than most other breeds.
> 
> All the Amelanchiers do great in Colorado. I even plant the allegeny
> species (Eastern deciduous forest native). For fruit quality, of them all I
> like the cultivated alnifolias. It truly depends on the person though. I do
> taste tests with my students and they all choose different once that they
> like better than the others. Eric Toensmeier and I agree that the
> cultivated alnifolias are best in taste, so that may say something. I also
> really like 'Regent' which is a stolonifera/alnifolia cross. They do better
> with a little more water though. The wild ones are still worth growing, but
> more for home use. Amelanchiers are truly one of my favorite plants and
> fruits so I've tried practically every cultivar out there. My favorite
> being Martin, Northline, Smoky, and Regent, and Autumn Brilliance
> (allegeny).
> 
> The linden flowers are best harvested before they start to make fruits,
> which happens very quickly, so timing is everything. The less fruit
> development the higher per oz my local herb shop will pay. We dry them,
> only takes about two days on a screen in the shade. They are used for all
> kinds of simple calmative reasons. When I lived in France, linden flowers
> were extremely popular as a soothing tea. It sells faster than most other
> herbs at my local apothecary (not quite as fast as our annual local
> passionflower harvest).
> 
> -- 
> Jason Gerhardt
> 
> PO Box 4355
> Boulder, CO 80306
> 303-258-7982
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