permaculture

["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

Seems to me that permaculture is a good step in the direction of 
hunter-gathering. My problem with hunter-gathering in Ireland is that it is 
not possible. I survived in the Scottish mountains for weeks at a time on 
what I could find. Hill walking in Irish mountains that were once as rich as 
the Scottish is severely disappointing in that there are no wild foods 
anywhere except maybe for a few deer miles away and impossible to stalk. 
Even the fish on the coast is going.
So to survive it has to be agriculture and developement of permaculture.
john

> On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Dieter Brand wrote:
>
> > The argument about the superior health of the hunter gatherers is 
> > probably exaggerated or based on a small statistical base of a few 
> > archeological finds.
>
> See Jared Diamond's article, "The Worst Mistake in the History of the 
> Human Race."
> http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html
>
> or mine, "Is Sustainable Agriculture an Oxymoron?"
> http://www.patternliteracy.com/203-is-sustainable-agriculture-an-oxymoron
>
> Not exaggerated. Essentially all the data available show that the shift to 
> agriculture resulted in a huge spike in epidemic disease, shorter 
> lifespan, shrinkage in stature (suggesting poorer nutrition), tooth and 
> bone problems, arthritis, etc. There aren't a lot of sites, it's true, 
> probably no more than 40 or so that cover the transition, but they all 
> show the same thing consistently. We paid a huge price nutritionally for 
> the shift to agriculture (not to mention the loss of freedom, which is far 
> more significant to me).
>
> Okay, I really am procrastinating on writing a tough section of the 
> patterns book. Back to it!
>
> Toby
> http://patternliteracy.com
>
>
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