permaculture

[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

Linda, 

The situation with psychiatrists/psychologists is quite different than 
permaculture. Mainstream psychiatrists' main activity is using drugs, 
electroshock, involuntary commitment and other invasive methods to treat 
mental symptoms - this is not a sustainable practice nor is it holistic. I am 
aware of the divisive camps within psychology, where some are more focused on 
holistic, regenerative approaches and some are just referral services for 
drug companies via MDs or psychiatrists. 

"Journey Into Madness" and other documentation illustrates how psychiatrists 
were in fact behind the CIA mind control experiments on unsuspecting Canadian 
and US citizens (MKULTRA), drug and lobotomy experimentation on prisoners and 
minorities, eugenics policies in the US and Germany, etc. Some of the most 
respected psychiatrists at Universities were involved in 
military/intelligence operations that led to use of torture techniques 
throughout the world in various military organizations (Middle East, El 
Salvador, etc).  Psychiatrists do take the Hippocratic Oath but obviously, 
there are a number of them that have broken that oath. They were not 
"co-opted" or corrupted, it was their idea in the first place. They (like Dr 
Ewen Camaron - "psychic driving") were already doing these experiments on 
their patients before partnering with the military. 

I can't see Scott (who was one of my instructors for my PDC) or any of the 
rest of us going down any such road. It is not the same thing, at all. 

Cory

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, LBUZZELL@aol.com <LBUZZELL@aol.com> wrote:

> From: LBUZZELL@aol.com <LBUZZELL@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] on an ethics of Mr Pittman (and the US military)
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 1:05 PM
> you might want to ask permaculture
> activist Joshua Fattal who has  been
> > arrested by the Iranian government and accused of
> espionage whether  it
> > would help him or others like him that "permaculture"
> is now
> >  celebrated as a US army reserve "hearts and
> minds"
> >  counterinsurgency/sustainment technique
>  
> I have to admit that this point is hard to disagree
> with.   Permaculture 
> was perhaps better off when it was seen as a
> politically  neutral Australian 
> land and people care system being used in many
> countries  with widely 
> different governmental systems, from Cuba to the US. 
>  
> Although I'm very sympathetic to Scott's and others'
> eagerness to spread  
> permaculture far and wide, I must conclude that it was a
> mistake for world  
> permaculture to get involved with the first-world occupying
> army in a third  
> world country, however eager the recruits were to learn
> about  permaculture. 
>  
>  
> Corporations have but one motive: profit. Armies likewise
> have but one  
> motive: to use force or other more subtle enforcement
> methods to vanquish  
> enemies.  Their aims and even techniques may appear to
> be beneficient,  but we 
> must not be naive.  And even if we view some military
> as "good  guys," how 
> does permaculture make the distinction on a global level
> without  politicizing 
> itself?
>  
> Permaculture is an exciting new profession and deserves to
> flourish  
> independent of destructive entanglements.  I have seen
> similar  problems happen in 
> my own field of mental health: psychologists who got 
> involved with the 
> military developed torture techniques for the CIA and
> were,  alas, actively 
> involved at Abu Ghraib.  I realize we haven't done
> anything  like this yet -- 
> but caution is needed. The "psychology in the
> military"  issue has split the 
> American Psychological Association into warring factions
> for  years, some 
> supporting those involved with the military and
> others  against.  
>  
> In just this short dialogue I see the beginnings of similar
> problems in  
> permaculture unless some clear ethical guidelines are laid
> down to prevent  
> permaculture from being used by the military and various
> governments for their 
>  own purposes. Psychiatrists, by the way, avoided the
> problems faced by the 
>  psychologists because they take a Hippocratic oath that
> prevents them from 
> doing  some of the unfortunate things a few
> psychologists have done.
>  
> Linda Buzzell-Saltzman
> 
> 
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